Thermal right, land left

I guess the result had nothing to do with team flying?
Just luck that the first two pilots where the French team?
It proves that its hard to compete against a well organised team with alot
of resources.
Isn't that going against the World Class ethos. That the best man wins?


"Going fer it" wrote in message
om...
So, If I wanted to fly world class for 2 weeks a year
I would have to buy a PW5 rather than say an ASW20
and accept that I would loose out on a large amount
of fun for the other 50 weeks of the year.

Guess you havent heard of hiring huh :-)


Now for real fun we ought to take all national champions
from all countries and all classes. Put them in PW5's
and let them fight it out for a single, true World
Champion. That would be a comp to watch!

Its sorta been done.
The first World Class Worlds in Turkey.....
Included a number of National champs as well as world champs!


43 pilots from 23 nations - among them two women - competed in the
contest.
Among the competitors were very experienced pilots - e.g. three former
World Champions -but also pilots with lesser experience. Astonishingly
the former World Champions ended on the places 8, 13 and 14.

.......
http://members.lycos.co.uk/steve_smyk/ go to 1st World
Championship for results

So now perhaps you might understand while the "eletist" element dont
like PW5s.
They got their ASS KICKED by real pilots who were not relying on the
gliders performance to do the work :-)

Have seen the same reaction amongst other so called "Gun" pilots who
get wacked at PW5 level. ie its a crap aircraft etc etc.

As always "Dear Reader" you will probably feed your own prejudices :-)

(Going fer it) wrote in message . com...
So, If I wanted to fly world class for 2 weeks a year
I would have to buy a PW5 rather than say an ASW20
and accept that I would loose out on a large amount
of fun for the other 50 weeks of the year.

Guess you havent heard of hiring huh :-)



Have you ever hired a glider for World or Continental Campionships?
It's probably cheaper to buy a glider and sell it again afterwards.
Only difficulty here is the long wait for a new glider...

Now for real fun we ought to take all national champions
from all countries and all classes. Put them in PW5's
and let them fight it out for a single, true World
Champion. That would be a comp to watch!

Its sorta been done.
The first World Class Worlds in Turkey.....
Included a number of National champs as well as world champs!




43 pilots from 23 nations - among them two women - competed in the
contest.
Among the competitors were very experienced pilots - e.g. three former
World Champions -but also pilots with lesser experience. Astonishingly
the former World Champions ended on the places 8, 13 and 14.



Some former World Champions finished far worse at the wgc last year in
Poland. In proper elitist gliders...
If you had ever competed at World or European Campionships you would
know that most people finishing in the top 10 are also capable of
winning.

.......
http://members.lycos.co.uk/steve_smyk/ go to 1st World
Championship for results

So now perhaps you might understand while the "eletist" element dont
like PW5s.
They got their ASS KICKED by real pilots who were not relying on the
gliders performance to do the work :-)

Have seen the same reaction amongst other so called "Gun" pilots who
get wacked at PW5 level. ie its a crap aircraft etc etc.


I can't quite follow your argument.
You only mention the world champions. But look at the others, too:
1st and 2nd place by a strong french team, both have competed at world
championships before or are strong competitors at French national
level.
also places 5 and 7 are frequent wgc competitors.
At the 2nd WC-wgc winner and runner-up swapped places. 3rd was
Sebastian Kawa, himself not a no-name either.
At the 3rd WC-wgc Darroze won (he came 2nd at the 2003 wgc Standard
Class), Kawa 2nd.

On 3/16/04 6:06 AM, in article ,
"David Hodgson" wrote:

...we ought to take all national champions ...and... [p]ut them in
PW5's and let them fight it out for a single, true World Champion.

That things like that have not been done is one reason that the WC concept
has not been successful: a more important factor, I believe, than the choice
of a particular design.


Jack

.......Because it breeds relience on some gadget, rather
than making a simple sequence of checks as instinctive
and natural as breathing.

I got into the habit long ago of leaving my last check,
the airbrakes, to last. I call cable on, and in response
to 'brakes closed and locked' I open them and close
them, and to the resounding thud of the overlock engaging
I say '...and locked!'
Thats how I was taught at our club.

............Probably the only alarm I would fit would
be to alert you that the undercarridge lever has been
moved off detent when on the ground. There is always
some idiot who will fiddle with your glider when parked
up, but then the canopy lock solved that one.

At 12:06 16 March 2004, Uri Saovray wrote:
Pete,
Of course you are right about airmanship, etc. Same
goes for almost
any other warning system. The fact is that this has
happened too many
times, and I have seen it happening to people who's
airmanship I DO
respect.
So IMHO, the next question is: If it's cheap and simple
enough, why
not???
Uri

Pete Zeugma wrote in message news:...
At 19:12 15 March 2004, Bruce Greeff wrote:
I'm so tight in my Cirrus I can inadvertently open
the airbrakes by moving my
left arm back.

sure you're not over the max loading of it to then?
ever thought of checking it more often since you know
that you can open it so easily, or even having the
overlock adjusted a bit tighter than your fit!

Absolutely correct. The point that has been missed
in all this is that having a warning device fitted
breeds reliance on that warning. If you don't believe
that consult Pavlov. The problem comes when the warning
device fails because the battery is flat or the electricity
can't bridge the air gap. Can you not hear the plaintive
cry 'Well I thought it was working, the warning did
not sound' or perhaps worse, 'Spinning, I can't have
been, there was no warning buzzer' There is no substitute
for paying attention, concentration and above all airmanship.
Does anyone want to rely on a microswitch cost a few
pence to keep them alive?

At 13:00 16 March 2004, Pete Zeugma wrote:
.......Because it breeds relience on some gadget, rather
than making a simple sequence of checks as instinctive
and natural as breathing.

I got into the habit long ago of leaving my last check,
the airbrakes, to last. I call cable on, and in response
to 'brakes closed and locked' I open them and close
them, and to the resounding thud of the overlock engaging
I say '...and locked!'
Thats how I was taught at our club.

............Probably the only alarm I would fit would
be to alert you that the undercarridge lever has been
moved off detent when on the ground. There is always
some idiot who will fiddle with your glider when parked
up, but then the canopy lock solved that one.

At 12:06 16 March 2004, Uri Saovray wrote:
Pete,
Of course you are right about airmanship, etc. Same
goes for almost
any other warning system. The fact is that this has
happened too many
times, and I have seen it happening to people who's
airmanship I DO
respect.
So IMHO, the next question is: If it's cheap and simple
enough, why
not???
Uri

Pete Zeugma wrote in message news:...
At 19:12 15 March 2004, Bruce Greeff wrote:
I'm so tight in my Cirrus I can inadvertently open
the airbrakes by moving my
left arm back.

sure you're not over the max loading of it to then?
ever thought of checking it more often since you know
that you can open it so easily, or even having the
overlock adjusted a bit tighter than your fit!

The problem comes when the warning
device fails because the battery is flat or the electricity
can't bridge the air gap.

I test the circuit before each flight.

My spoiler warning curcuit rigged between the landing gear and spoilers on my
Jantar. The switch for the landing gear only opens if the landing gear is down
and the button on the handle is fully up, indicating a positive lock on the
landing gears. The switch on the spoilers only opens when the spoilers are in
the fully locked position.

To test, I depress the button on the landing gear handle and pop the spoilers a
little. This activates the gear warning by closing both switches.

Just in case one of the switches fails during flight, causing the alarm to go
off, I can deactive the system to avoid a beep-beep-beep on a long flight. I
have a toggle switch mounted high on the panel to power the circuit. Right
next to the switch is a large red LED. If I chose to deactive the gear warning
system, the red LED goes on.



Jim Vincent
CFIG
N483SZ
illspam

lots of links in your chain then.

At 14:12 16 March 2004, Jim Vincent wrote:
The problem comes when the warning
device fails because the battery is flat or the electricity
can't bridge the air gap.

I test the circuit before each flight.

My spoiler warning curcuit rigged between the landing
gear and spoilers on my
Jantar. The switch for the landing gear only opens
if the landing gear is down
and the button on the handle is fully up, indicating
a positive lock on the
landing gears. The switch on the spoilers only opens
when the spoilers are in
the fully locked position.

To test, I depress the button on the landing gear handle
and pop the spoilers a
little. This activates the gear warning by closing
both switches.

Just in case one of the switches fails during flight,
causing the alarm to go
off, I can deactive the system to avoid a beep-beep-beep
on a long flight. I
have a toggle switch mounted high on the panel to power
the circuit. Right
next to the switch is a large red LED. If I chose
to deactive the gear warning
system, the red LED goes on.



Jim Vincent
CFIG
N483SZ

Frankly, the the only way I'd be a winner beyond the
local level in
the World Class would be if I could use the LS4 some
people dream about
as the World Class glider.


Eric,

I dont get your point.... are you saying that if the
World Class glider was the LS4 you would win National
or International Compeition but as its a PW5 you cant?
Surely your skills/knowledge are relevant in a one
glider class regardless of which glider it is? Whether
it be a PW5 or a LS4.

Which brings us kind of full circle. The argument is
not against the World Class just against the requirements
and in turn against the PW5. As far as I can see the
requirements have killed any chance the World Class
had of success before it even started. And to be honest
I think there is enough evidence of that to prove that
it isnt just an opnion.

Personally I think the World Class has missed the boat.
The club class is taking over the 'Affordable competition'
section of competitive gliding.

Owain

Owain Walters wrote in message ...


Which brings us kind of full circle. The argument is
not against the World Class just against the requirements
and in turn against the PW5.

Or in other words, against the original concepts of the class. Even
though you have no interest in flying it, or letting those that do fly
it do so without a lot of unneeded derision.

As a former 1-26 owner, why am I not surprised?

Soaring is going to die a well deserved death, killed from within, not
from outside influence.

I think Eric was suggesting he'd be competeitive flying
an LS4 if the others were still flying PW5s

:-)