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At 19:24 15 March 2004, G.Kurek wrote:
And you think that you can find a legitimate company
that will make
LS-4 in the same price range? Where/how do I put down
payment?!!

You missed my point.....If it was an LS4 class you
wouldn't need a new one, you could fly a second hand
one (which you can get for equivalent or cheaper price).
If you wanted a new one then you could pay extra and
have a new one, though I don't understand why you would.
Composite gliders in general have a much longer life
in terms of hours and launches than you would ever
need, and if you want it shiny you can get it re-gelled
in poland pretty cheap (or even do it yourself).
My point is that designing a new glider for the world
class was a mistake, as was most of the design philosophy
behind the concept. If you want proof then just look
at the number of people that bother buying them/entering
the world class.
I have no problem with people that fly any kind of
glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design
the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating
an existing 20ish year old design would have been much
more succesful.
Just my opinion.

Jon Meyer wrote:
I have no problem with people that fly any kind of
glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design
the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating
an existing 20ish year old design would have been much
more succesful.

If you believe that, then the glider you desire so much would NOT be an
LS4, because at the beginning of the World Class discussions, the LS4
was only 5 years old and competitive in the Standard Class. So, using
your criteria, a "20ish year old design" would be a Standard Cirrus! It
costs just as much to build a Standard Cirrus as an LS4, would you buy
one, or would you say, "Why should I buy a World Class Cirrus when for
less money I can get a used LS4?".

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Eric Greenwell wrote in message ...
Jon Meyer wrote:
I have no problem with people that fly any kind of
glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design
the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating
an existing 20ish year old design would have been much
more succesful.

If you believe that, then the glider you desire so much would NOT be an
LS4, because at the beginning of the World Class discussions, the LS4
was only 5 years old and competitive in the Standard Class. So, using
your criteria, a "20ish year old design" would be a Standard Cirrus! It
costs just as much to build a Standard Cirrus as an LS4, would you buy
one, or would you say, "Why should I buy a World Class Cirrus when for
less money I can get a used LS4?".

Please check your history book.
The Std. Cirrus was on the market in 1969. The LS4 went into
production in 1981 and there were over 800 built by the time the PW5
was introduced in 1994.
But that doesn't really matter since the statement was: it would have
been more successful.

Jon Meyer wrote in message ...
At 19:24 15 March 2004, G.Kurek wrote:
And you think that you can find a legitimate company
that will make
LS-4 in the same price range? Where/how do I put down
payment?!!

You missed my point.....If it was an LS4 class you
wouldn't need a new one, you could fly a second hand
one (which you can get for equivalent or cheaper price).
If you wanted a new one then you could pay extra and
have a new one, though I don't understand why you would.
Composite gliders in general have a much longer life
in terms of hours and launches than you would ever
need, and if you want it shiny you can get it re-gelled
in poland pretty cheap (or even do it yourself).
My point is that designing a new glider for the world
class was a mistake, as was most of the design philosophy
behind the concept. If you want proof then just look
at the number of people that bother buying them/entering
the world class.
I have no problem with people that fly any kind of
glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design
the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating
an existing 20ish year old design would have been much
more succesful.
Just my opinion.


First of all, Poland from the capital letter. On the rest I could say
that I agree in almost 100%, if we would want to name a new glider to
be world class it should be a glider that is in the production and
relatively cheap. Someone mentioned that there is possibility of ls4
being produced in Slovakia. Fine but I'm almost sure that these
gliders will go for no less than $60,000 (equipped) just like
Glasflugels from Czech Rep. - that's the catch... In that price range
we, again, would be able to match a better glider. Gliding should be
more economical than flying Cezznaz and in majority of the clubs
already isn't, otherwise we'll share the future of hippies -
extinction.