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At 19:24 15 March 2004, G.Kurek wrote:
And you think that you can find a legitimate company that will make LS-4 in the same price range? Where/how do I put down payment?!! You missed my point.....If it was an LS4 class you wouldn't need a new one, you could fly a second hand one (which you can get for equivalent or cheaper price). If you wanted a new one then you could pay extra and have a new one, though I don't understand why you would. Composite gliders in general have a much longer life in terms of hours and launches than you would ever need, and if you want it shiny you can get it re-gelled in poland pretty cheap (or even do it yourself). My point is that designing a new glider for the world class was a mistake, as was most of the design philosophy behind the concept. If you want proof then just look at the number of people that bother buying them/entering the world class. I have no problem with people that fly any kind of glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating an existing 20ish year old design would have been much more succesful. Just my opinion. |
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Jon Meyer wrote:
I have no problem with people that fly any kind of glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating an existing 20ish year old design would have been much more succesful. If you believe that, then the glider you desire so much would NOT be an LS4, because at the beginning of the World Class discussions, the LS4 was only 5 years old and competitive in the Standard Class. So, using your criteria, a "20ish year old design" would be a Standard Cirrus! It costs just as much to build a Standard Cirrus as an LS4, would you buy one, or would you say, "Why should I buy a World Class Cirrus when for less money I can get a used LS4?". -- ----- change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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Eric Greenwell wrote in message ...
Jon Meyer wrote: I have no problem with people that fly any kind of glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating an existing 20ish year old design would have been much more succesful. If you believe that, then the glider you desire so much would NOT be an LS4, because at the beginning of the World Class discussions, the LS4 was only 5 years old and competitive in the Standard Class. So, using your criteria, a "20ish year old design" would be a Standard Cirrus! It costs just as much to build a Standard Cirrus as an LS4, would you buy one, or would you say, "Why should I buy a World Class Cirrus when for less money I can get a used LS4?". Please check your history book. The Std. Cirrus was on the market in 1969. The LS4 went into production in 1981 and there were over 800 built by the time the PW5 was introduced in 1994. But that doesn't really matter since the statement was: it would have been more successful. |
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Jon Meyer wrote in message ...
At 19:24 15 March 2004, G.Kurek wrote: And you think that you can find a legitimate company that will make LS-4 in the same price range? Where/how do I put down payment?!! You missed my point.....If it was an LS4 class you wouldn't need a new one, you could fly a second hand one (which you can get for equivalent or cheaper price). If you wanted a new one then you could pay extra and have a new one, though I don't understand why you would. Composite gliders in general have a much longer life in terms of hours and launches than you would ever need, and if you want it shiny you can get it re-gelled in poland pretty cheap (or even do it yourself). My point is that designing a new glider for the world class was a mistake, as was most of the design philosophy behind the concept. If you want proof then just look at the number of people that bother buying them/entering the world class. I have no problem with people that fly any kind of glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating an existing 20ish year old design would have been much more succesful. Just my opinion. First of all, Poland from the capital letter. On the rest I could say that I agree in almost 100%, if we would want to name a new glider to be world class it should be a glider that is in the production and relatively cheap. Someone mentioned that there is possibility of ls4 being produced in Slovakia. Fine but I'm almost sure that these gliders will go for no less than $60,000 (equipped) just like Glasflugels from Czech Rep. - that's the catch... In that price range we, again, would be able to match a better glider. Gliding should be more economical than flying Cezznaz and in majority of the clubs already isn't, otherwise we'll share the future of hippies - extinction. |
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