opinions on a K13

Dear Nowhere!!

If you actually knew anything at all about this you
would know that the nickname of plastic pig was actually
regarding the earlier Twin Astir and NOT the completly
different Twin II Acro on which thousands of people
have learnt to fly. And as for the AD banning aerobatics,
again if you knew what you were talking about you would
know that the Twin II Acro limitations have been lifted
to allow it to do the same aerobatics (including spinning)
as a K13, only rolling and inverted is still currently
unallowed without modification and this type of flying
is definitaly only for those who have recieved training
in this fine art.
An Acro can be taken out in stronger winds (with care)
than you would do with a K13 and the maintenance will
be a lot less on a GRP 2 seater than an ageing K13.
The K13 is a nice glider, I learnt to fly on one but
times move on, I am sure the old pilots flying T21's
and T31's reacted the same when the K13 came along.
Let go of your inhibitions and move with the times
or else you may stay nowhere for ever!.



At 04:36 27 April 2004, Nowhere wrote:
If you REALLY NEED the extra L/D for flying farther
afield that MIGHT
be a slight reason to consider the Acro. Other than
that replacing an
ASK13 with a trailerless Acro would probably be a bad
move. Actually,
with no trailer available you would have to be even
more conservative
and stay closer to the field with the Acro than the
ASK13. The Acro
also hasn't been given the 'plastic pig' nickname for
nothing. Heavy
to fly, heavy to rig and, currently, not even aerobatic
thank's to an
A.D.

mark

I agree with Mark. Although the k13 is a very good trainer, a Twin is
definitively a step upward which still allows a very good ab initio
training. Any concrete advice depends on the exact deal, but a Twin without
trailer (which can be bought second hand, too) is, hm, sub-optimal.

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


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Dear Nowhere!!

If you actually knew anything at all about this you
would know that the nickname of plastic pig was actually
regarding the earlier Twin Astir and NOT the completly
different Twin II Acro on which thousands of people
have learnt to fly. And as for the AD banning aerobatics,
again if you knew what you were talking about you would
know that the Twin II Acro limitations have been lifted
to allow it to do the same aerobatics (including spinning)
as a K13, only rolling and inverted is still currently
unallowed without modification and this type of flying
is definitaly only for those who have recieved training
in this fine art.
An Acro can be taken out in stronger winds (with care)
than you would do with a K13 and the maintenance will
be a lot less on a GRP 2 seater than an ageing K13.
The K13 is a nice glider, I learnt to fly on one but
times move on, I am sure the old pilots flying T21's
and T31's reacted the same when the K13 came along.
Let go of your inhibitions and move with the times
or else you may stay nowhere for ever!.



At 04:36 27 April 2004, Nowhere wrote:
If you REALLY NEED the extra L/D for flying farther
afield that MIGHT
be a slight reason to consider the Acro. Other than
that replacing an
ASK13 with a trailerless Acro would probably be a bad
move. Actually,
with no trailer available you would have to be even
more conservative
and stay closer to the field with the Acro than the
ASK13. The Acro
also hasn't been given the 'plastic pig' nickname for
nothing. Heavy
to fly, heavy to rig and, currently, not even aerobatic
thank's to an
A.D.

mark

Mark Davies wrote in message
If you actually knew anything at all about this you
would know that the nickname of plastic pig was actually
regarding the earlier Twin Astir and NOT the completly
different Twin II Acro on which thousands of people
have learnt to fly.

Well actually my club has BOTH a Twin II Acro and a Twin Astir and,
with many hours in both, I find the Astir to be much nicer to fly! The
ailerons on the Astir, though just as heavy as the Acro, actually ROLL
the aircraft and the spoilers don't snatch the way they do on the
Acro. Admittedly the back seat on the Acro is a huge improvement on
the Astir.

And as for the AD banning aerobatics,
again if you knew what you were talking about you would
know that the Twin II Acro limitations have been lifted
to allow it to do the same aerobatics (including spinning)
as a K13, only rolling and inverted is still currently
unallowed without modification and this type of flying
is definitaly only for those who have recieved training
in this fine art.

You're right about the A.D of course. It has been modified to allow
these manouvers. The more advanced aerobatics it was certified for are
still off limits which means that while we paid for a fully aerobatic
trainer we no longer can use it as such. The point I was trying (and
failing) to make was that, at the moment, the Acro wouldn't provide
them any more functionality than a K13 in this area. Oddly enough, in
speaking up for the Acro you made this point much clearer thans I did.
As for spinning, good luck. the Acro's very docile in the stall but
difficult to get a good spin out of.

Let go of your inhibitions and move with the times
or else you may stay nowhere for ever!.

Actually I own a glass single seater and I feel the best two seater
I've ever flown is the Duo Discus so I'm hardly mired in the past. I
just don't like the Acro that much and don't see how this deal would
be of any benefit to this club.