opinions on a K13

I disagree with the statement regarding maintenance.
A fibreglass ship will always cost less to maintain
than a fabric over metal ship.

I don’t believe a K13 is move forgiving than a Twin
Astir or K21 for training purposes. And, in the unlikely
event of an accident I would rather be in a glass ship.

Having said that… If all you want to do is bash the
circuit – stick with the 13. No better than glass
once you are downwind.



At 05:42 28 April 2004, Elzee wrote:

'Scott Macleman' wrote in message
...
Just wondering what some of the more experienced people
think.

Keep the ASK13.

I am biased as I went solo in one .. Glass ships are
going to get you into a lot
more trouble, whereas the K13 will always be a more
forgiving platform for
training. Plus you are already ahead in terms of trailer
and maintenance of a
familiar piece of equipment versus the servicing of
an FRP ship. Insurance costs
will be higher too I'm sure!

Keep the ASK13

HTH

elZee

In article , Ben Flewett
writes
I disagree with the statement regarding maintenance.
A fibreglass ship will always cost less to maintain
than a fabric over metal ship.

I don’t believe a K13 is move forgiving than a Twin
Astir or K21 for training purposes. And, in the unlikely
event of an accident I would rather be in a glass ship.

Isn't it rather difficult to get a K21 to spin? So it must be next to
impossible to do spin training in the glass job?
--
Mike Lindsay

Mike Lindsay wrote:
In article , Ben Flewett
writes
I disagree with the statement regarding maintenance.
A fibreglass ship will always cost less to maintain
than a fabric over metal ship.

I don?t believe a K13 is move forgiving than a Twin
Astir or K21 for training purposes. And, in the unlikely
event of an accident I would rather be in a glass ship.

Isn't it rather difficult to get a K21 to spin? So it must be next to
impossible to do spin training in the glass job?

An instructor asked me to do spin in a Janus. I can assure you there is
no problem entering spin in a Janus, that speed builds up quite fast,
and that you are happy to get out of spin as fast as possible.
But you are right, the ASK13 is perfect for doing spin. It demonstrates
spin much more clearly than the ASK21! However, and contrarily to what
has been stated above by our UK friends, here in France people have
generally sold all their ASK13 to buy replacement ASK21 or Twin Astirs
(at least those who were rich enough). Is it true that the K13 allows
to stay in the air in weak conditions when plastic gilders cannot?
Sincerely i doubt that, particularly if there is the lightest wind, you
will be out of luck, while with a Janus for example, you can still go
against the wind and use flaps in light thermals.


--

Michel TALON

However, and contrarily to what
has been stated above by our UK friends, here in France people have
generally sold all their ASK13 to buy replacement ASK21 or Twin Astirs
(at least those who were rich enough).

Well, not generally - A number of large and "rich" french clubs are keeping
their K13's and btw their market value is not decreasing.
K13s are much cheaper to purchase but do require skilled staff for
maintenance, so the large clubs tend to keep their K13s while small club
tend to move to plastic.

Having been trainee and trainer on both K13 and Twin - IMHO the K13 is much
more demonstrative and forgiving for instruction and first solo flights.
However a Twin would be more versatile for XC purposes

Jean

Jean wrote:
However, and contrarily to what
has been stated above by our UK friends, here in France people have
generally sold all their ASK13 to buy replacement ASK21 or Twin Astirs
(at least those who were rich enough).

Well, not generally - A number of large and "rich" french clubs are keeping
their K13's and btw their market value is not decreasing.
K13s are much cheaper to purchase but do require skilled staff for
maintenance, so the large clubs tend to keep their K13s while small club
tend to move to plastic.

Well i mean Moret, Buno, Beynes, Chartres, Cherence don't qualify as small
clubs and have moved plastic long ago. Are you speaking clubs in the
Alps?


Having been trainee and trainer on both K13 and Twin - IMHO the K13 is much
more demonstrative and forgiving for instruction and first solo flights.
However a Twin would be more versatile for XC purposes

Jean




--

Michel TALON

Jean wrote:
However, and contrarily to what
has been stated above by our UK friends, here in France people have
generally sold all their ASK13 to buy replacement ASK21 or Twin Astirs
(at least those who were rich enough).

Well, not generally - A number of large and "rich" french clubs are keeping
their K13's and btw their market value is not decreasing.
K13s are much cheaper to purchase but do require skilled staff for
maintenance, so the large clubs tend to keep their K13s while small club
tend to move to plastic.

Well i mean Moret, Buno, Beynes, Chartres, Cherence or Montpellier
don't qualify as small clubs and have moved plastic long ago. Are you
speaking clubs in the Alps?


Having been trainee and trainer on both K13 and Twin - IMHO the K13 is much
more demonstrative and forgiving for instruction and first solo flights.
However a Twin would be more versatile for XC purposes

Jean




--

Michel TALON