2003 Ventus 2C for sale

Guy, a pretty silly comment given the current exchange rate. Let the
man sell his glider as he sees fit.


"Guy Byars" wrote in message ...
2003 Ventus 2C

Never flown other than factory test flight

...

Today's replacement cost $144,000


Gosh, for $144k I would at least expect a motor of some sort.

Chris OCallaghan wrote:

Guy, a pretty silly comment given the current exchange rate. Let the
man sell his glider as he sees fit.


"Guy Byars" wrote in message ...

2003 Ventus 2C

Never flown other than factory test flight

...


Today's replacement cost $144,000


Gosh, for $144k I would at least expect a motor of some sort.

I don't think it's silly: it was exactly my thought, after comparing it
to the cost of a friend's motorglider purchase ($150,000) a few months
ago. Maybe our currency is weakening faster than we realize.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

Today's replacement cost $144,000



Gosh, for $144k I would at least expect a motor of some sort.


I don't think it's silly: it was exactly my thought, after comparing it
to the cost of a friend's motorglider purchase ($150,000) a few months
ago. Maybe our currency is weakening faster than we realize.


$144,000 doesn't seem right. When the dollar was at its strongest, you
could get a '27 fully equipped for $75,000, and the V2c was only
slightly more expensive. The euro may be 40% higher now, but that
doesn't take the price to $144,000.

Tom must be looking at the motorglider price sheet.

A reasonably well equipped new Ventus 2C with instruments and trailer should
be in the region of $120 k at current exchange rates. Maybe the extra $24k
is dealer markup!

There is a virtually brand new one for sale here in Arizona by a colleague
of mine for around $100k. Buy this one and you have an extra $40k with
which you could buy a quite nice spare glider!

Mike

ASW 20 WA



"Greg Arnold" wrote in message
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Today's replacement cost $144,000



Gosh, for $144k I would at least expect a motor of some sort.


I don't think it's silly: it was exactly my thought, after comparing it
to the cost of a friend's motorglider purchase ($150,000) a few months
ago. Maybe our currency is weakening faster than we realize.


$144,000 doesn't seem right. When the dollar was at its strongest, you
could get a '27 fully equipped for $75,000, and the V2c was only
slightly more expensive. The euro may be 40% higher now, but that
doesn't take the price to $144,000.

Tom must be looking at the motorglider price sheet.

You may think it, and you may know differently, but how would you like
someone taking pot shots at your "for sale" posting? Besides, the
seller only claimed a replacement cost, not a price. I've found that
unless you've bought a new glider, most pilots haven't a clue just how
expensive it really is. There are transport and insurance fees to get
the trailer to the factory (plus a fee for fitting the trailer to the
glider), the glider from the factory to the boat, from Europe to the
US, and additional fees to clear the port. In total these invisible
cost are substantial. Initial certification of the glider is not
cheap, that is, if you want it done in less than 6 months. I recently
received a factory quote for Ventus 2cx w/o engine, based on it the
"replacement cost" cited doesn't surprise me. A total cost of
acquisition might be closer to the low 130s, but that's not the point.
A brand new glider, well equipped delivered tomorrow (as opposed to 24
months from tomorrow) may be worth a premium. The price payed will be
determined by the buyer. So again, my question, why even comment in
the first place?

Is it open season? I've had some thoughts about models and claims I've
seen for sale on this board. My insights might be very valuable to
potential buyers, but I typcially save my thoughts for those who
contact me privately. Why? Because I'd prefer that others with equally
irrelevant opinions (as mine) not stifle my attempts to sell a glider.

Chris OCallaghan wrote:
You may think it, and you may know differently, but how would you like
someone taking pot shots at your "for sale" posting? Besides, the
seller only claimed a replacement cost, not a price.

I think many (myself included) are honestly in shock over the current
price of importing a new glider into the US. This "replacement cost" is
close to 3 times what I paid for a new competitive 15/18M ship just 3
years ago. Given that many of us (myself included) are now making
significantly less money than we were 5 or even 10 years ago, the notion
of buying a new glider at these prices has passed into the realm of
fantasy.

Anyone who continues to be able to afford these toys will not be
disturbed by these slightly anguished comments. But I, for one, don't
believe the sport will long survive in the US, if the cost of tows and
new gliders continue to rise at the rate they have been over the past
couple of years...

Marc

Marc Ramsey wrote:


But I, for one, don't believe the sport will long survive in the US,
if the cost of tows and new gliders continue to rise at the rate
they have been....

There are plenty of gliders around. The sport will survive without regard to the
availability of uber-models, if we develop a program for introducing new (young)
people to the sport.

Learning to fly in a glider is an excellent way to learn to fly and relatively
inexpensive. As there are new US-built powered aircraft coming on the scene, the
development of new US sailplane designs promises to solve the performance v
cost equation favorably.

As you say, Marc, those who can afford the most expensive ships are not
affected. They are also not the ones we should be looking to for reinvigoration
of the sport.



Jack

$144,000 doesn't seem right. When the dollar was at its strongest, you
could get a '27 fully equipped for $75,000, and the V2c was only
slightly more expensive. The euro may be 40% higher now, but that
doesn't take the price to $144,000.

Actually it is right on. I purcahsed a V2C in 2001, traded money at .82 and
..87 $ per Euro and by the time I had all the options, trailer, shipping and
insturtments and O2 I had paid $ 97,000. We have had a 40 % drop in the dollar
verus the Euro. If you have never bought a new glider you just do not have any
ideas. Tom was the dealer for many years, don't ya think he might know how
much a new V2 is???

craig