IFR in motorglider?

"ADP" wrote in message ...
Why must it be an unequivocal no?

Please site your sources.

61.23

Where in 61.23? In fact, it says precisely the opposite.

"Tom Seim" wrote in message
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"ADP" wrote in message
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Why must it be an unequivocal no?

Please site your sources.

61.23

"ADP" wrote in message ...
Where in 61.23? In fact, it says precisely the opposite.

IFR flight requires an "Instrument-Airplane" rating. "Airplane"
requires a medical. There is no "Instrument-Glider" rating.

Tom

Well Tom,

Wrong again.

You may have an instrument rating in a helicopter or an autogiro (powered
lift). Clearly they are not "Airplanes".

I am aware that there is no instrument glider designation but that is not
the point.

As I have already exhaustively pointed out, a motor glider is considered a
powered aircraft for the purposes of 14 CFR 91.205. That being the case, a
current IFR ticket (however defined) will enable you to fly a properly
equipped motor glider under IFR.
14 CFR 61.23 B(8) also says that you do not need a medical to take a test or
check for a certificate, rating or authorization when using a flight
simulator or flight training device.

Also, 14 CFR 61.3 (E)(3) specifies that to fly a glider under IFR you may
have a pilot certificate with a glider category rating and an
AIRPLANE instrument rating.

Thus, you may renew your instrument rating, take a check or become current
without any medical at all.

In addition, the recency requirements for flying IFR under 14 CFR
61.57(C)(2) i and ii allow you to become current with:
1. 3 hours instrument time in as glider in flight -simulated or actual.
(For which no medical is required), or
2. Up to 1.5 hrs in an aircraft of a total of 3 hours in flight and ( if you
can persuade the other pilot to be PIC) no medical is required.

So, despite the desire of almost everyone here to rewrite the regulations to
suit their particular prejudices,
we can do what is permitted and safe and this is one of those things..

Allan

"Tom Seim" wrote in message
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"ADP" wrote in message
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Where in 61.23? In fact, it says precisely the opposite.

IFR flight requires an "Instrument-Airplane" rating. "Airplane"
requires a medical. There is no "Instrument-Glider" rating.

Tom

"ADP" wrote in message ...
Well Tom,

Wrong again.

You may have an instrument rating in a helicopter or an autogiro (powered
lift). Clearly they are not "Airplanes".

Picky, picky. Same difference.


I am aware that there is no instrument glider designation but that is not
the point.

As I have already exhaustively pointed out, a motor glider is considered a
powered aircraft for the purposes of 14 CFR 91.205. That being the case, a
current IFR ticket (however defined) will enable you to fly a properly
equipped motor glider under IFR.
14 CFR 61.23 B(8) also says that you do not need a medical to take a test or
check for a certificate, rating or authorization when using a flight
simulator or flight training device.

Also, 14 CFR 61.3 (E)(3) specifies that to fly a glider under IFR you may
have a pilot certificate with a glider category rating and an
AIRPLANE instrument rating.

Thus, you may renew your instrument rating, take a check or become current
without any medical at all.

In addition, the recency requirements for flying IFR under 14 CFR
61.57(C)(2) i and ii allow you to become current with:
1. 3 hours instrument time in as glider in flight -simulated or actual.
(For which no medical is required), or
2. Up to 1.5 hrs in an aircraft of a total of 3 hours in flight and ( if you
can persuade the other pilot to be PIC) no medical is required.

I concede the point that, in this special case, it is possible to
maintain IFR currency without a current medical.


So, despite the desire of almost everyone here to rewrite the regulations to
suit their particular prejudices,
we can do what is permitted and safe and this is one of those things..

That is not to say that the practice is safe. Presumably, the pilot in
question doesn't have a current medical because he lost it for some
important medical reason. You cannot declare his actions safe w/o
knowing what that reason was. Remember, we self-certify that we are
fit to fly gliders. As I am sure you are aware, we do not have cart
blanche to fly with a disabling medical condition.

And, yes, I don't know why the guy lost his medical either.

Tom

Wow Tom, quite a concession.

Yes there is a difference between being legal and being safe.
Being legal and being dead doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.
Of course, being picky again, we do not "self certify", we simply observe
the requirements of 14 CFR 61.53(b). While I and, I suspect, you take
this regulation very seriously, I concede that some others may not.

This mirrors the real world, some people are responsible and some are not.
My observations indicate that pilots, of any type, are usually more
responsible
than the general population.

There is at least one other reason why an individual may not have a current
medical.
In my case, while undergoing a back operation, my First Class Medical
expired.
After multiple operations, I have fully recovered but choose not to go
through the
draconian requirements to requalify for a medical. Filling out the Doctor
visits alone
would require 5 extra pages. Although I believe I could qualify for a
medical of
some degree, I choose not to. Having flown powered aircraft most of my life
I am now concentrating on soaring with, I might add, great pleasure.

So, be safe out there and keep the rest of us on our toes.

Cheers,

Allan


"Tom Seim" wrote in message
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"ADP" wrote in message
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Well Tom,

Wrong again.

You may have an instrument rating in a helicopter or an autogiro (powered
lift). Clearly they are not "Airplanes".

Picky, picky. Same difference.

....SNIP......

That is not to say that the practice is safe. Presumably, the pilot in
question doesn't have a current medical because he lost it for some
important medical reason. You cannot declare his actions safe w/o
knowing what that reason was. Remember, we self-certify that we are
fit to fly gliders. As I am sure you are aware, we do not have cart
blanche to fly with a disabling medical condition.

And, yes, I don't know why the guy lost his medical either.

Tom

Tom Seim wrote:
And, yes, I don't know why the guy lost his medical either.

If I used to fly power and then flew only gliders in
my "retirement" I wouldn't get a renewal medical ever.
My doc said the EKG is like $120 for over 40. Yikes,
I can't afford to get old...
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Mark Boyd
Avenal, California, USA

EKG not required for a Class III medical, only a Class I. A basic exam
usually only runs about $75 to $85 unless there are "problems", but then you
don't need one except maybe for peace of mind.

"Mark James Boyd" wrote in message
news:40f3823f$1@darkstar...
Tom Seim wrote:
And, yes, I don't know why the guy lost his medical either.

If I used to fly power and then flew only gliders in
my "retirement" I wouldn't get a renewal medical ever.
My doc said the EKG is like $120 for over 40. Yikes,
I can't afford to get old...
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Mark Boyd
Avenal, California, USA