Hotellier connections

Wow, I didn't realize there was aversion by some against
L'hotellier fittings and even refusal to fly gliders
that use them.

Hmm, I guess if it's possible to put a 'dualie' landing
gear on a Libelle H201, then it's bound to be possible
to retrofit L'Hotelier fittings with automatic connections.
Of course, the cost to do so on something like my
LS-1d would be about the same as the total value of
the glider. Or a lot more.

Since I can't make the jump to a ship with automatic
connections, I'll continue to fly mine, but not before
I make a Positive Control Check after assembly.

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA
LS-1d, 'W8'

"Ray Lovinggood" wrote in message
...
Wow, I didn't realize there was aversion by some against
L'hotellier fittings and even refusal to fly gliders
that use them.

Hmm, I guess if it's possible to put a 'dualie' landing
gear on a Libelle H201, then it's bound to be possible
to retrofit L'Hotelier fittings with automatic connections.
Of course, the cost to do so on something like my
LS-1d would be about the same as the total value of
the glider. Or a lot more.

Since I can't make the jump to a ship with automatic
connections, I'll continue to fly mine, but not before
I make a Positive Control Check after assembly.

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA
LS-1d, 'W8'


Does anybody have a first person story of a L'Hotellier fitting coming loose
when it was CERTAIN that it was connected and safetied correctly in the
first place?

I attach and safety pin mine by feel and then check them visually and by
tugging at right angles on each one in turn. Then I also do a PCC.

Bill Daniels

The whole issue with the safety pins was a rather 'knee jerk" reaction
rather than a cure.
I don't honestly know of any of these connections when proper connected
(that's the catch, so to speak) with or without safety pins installed...for
years gliders with these connections never used the safety pins...the
problem lies with the connectors not getting proper attached in the first
place, and that is something rather easy to do, they can 'appear" to be
connected and not fully connected...if the fittings are not worn out
(subject of another AD note to measure these balls and sockets) then they
don't become disconnected...many (most) gliders that used these fittings
also however had them in such a location they were installed mostly by brail
since you had to feel your way into a location that was many times
impossible to see.... LS even went to the smoke and mirrors (less the smoke)
method by installing tiny mirrors on the aft bulkheads so you could see the
connections..
the L'Hotellier connections were simply a not nice way of connecting
essential flight controls, several gliders have crashed when they became
disconnected (never properly connected) and people died because of
these....and, probably will in the future as well.
Even some earlier gliders used "pip" pins for control connections, these
were much better than the L'Hotellier fittings.....now, and in the future,
every manufacturer should and most do use automatic connections....
tim



Does anybody have a first person story of a L'Hotellier fitting coming
loose
when it was CERTAIN that it was connected and safetied correctly in the
first place?

I attach and safety pin mine by feel and then check them visually and by
tugging at right angles on each one in turn. Then I also do a PCC.

Bill Daniels

My observation is that the only way to insure they are properly connected is
by feel.

If the cup is only partially engaged with the ball, the fitting will feel
stiff. With the cup fully over the ball and the tab fully seated, the
fitting will easily rotate on the ball with just finger pressure.

When you KNOW a fitting is properly attached, run your finger tip over the
opening of the cup to feel the position of the ball in the cup. When you
learn what a good connection feels like, it's very easy to feel when the
ball is not properly seated.

I take some comfort in the fact that my L'Hotellier fittings are much harder
to get off than on.

Oh yes, I also clean them with solvent and re-lube them regularly.

Bill Daniels


"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
The whole issue with the safety pins was a rather 'knee jerk" reaction
rather than a cure.
I don't honestly know of any of these connections when proper connected
(that's the catch, so to speak) with or without safety pins
installed...for
years gliders with these connections never used the safety pins...the
problem lies with the connectors not getting proper attached in the first
place, and that is something rather easy to do, they can 'appear" to be
connected and not fully connected...if the fittings are not worn out
(subject of another AD note to measure these balls and sockets) then they
don't become disconnected...many (most) gliders that used these fittings
also however had them in such a location they were installed mostly by
brail
since you had to feel your way into a location that was many times
impossible to see.... LS even went to the smoke and mirrors (less the
smoke)
method by installing tiny mirrors on the aft bulkheads so you could see
the
connections..
the L'Hotellier connections were simply a not nice way of connecting
essential flight controls, several gliders have crashed when they became
disconnected (never properly connected) and people died because of
these....and, probably will in the future as well.
Even some earlier gliders used "pip" pins for control connections, these
were much better than the L'Hotellier fittings.....now, and in the future,
every manufacturer should and most do use automatic connections....
tim



Does anybody have a first person story of a L'Hotellier fitting coming
loose
when it was CERTAIN that it was connected and safetied correctly in the
first place?

I attach and safety pin mine by feel and then check them visually and by
tugging at right angles on each one in turn. Then I also do a PCC.

Bill Daniels