USA - All students must show "papers"

How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on say a new 777? Do they
have to do it outside the borders of the US or do they teach 'em in a sim
and let 'em loose on the real thing straight away?

:-J

Ian


"tango4" wrote in message
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So I take it no visitors to the US can get any instruction? Has that
killed all the flight schools offering cheaper flight training for
European pilots?

What about visiting pilots wanting a checkride before taking a club or FBO
ship?

Talk about overkill!

Ian


"Tom Serkowski" wrote in message
m...
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html

Beginning October 20, 2004, all pilots wishing to recieve instruction
- including a BFR, must show proff of US citizenship to the
instructor. Very scary.

I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI allows a passenger
to touch the controls, that is considered instruction in the TSA's
eyes.

The instructor must see a document such as an ORIGINAL naturalization
certificate and keep a copy for 5 years. Yet on my certificate it
says it is illegal to copy it.

I called SSA today regarding another subject and also asked about
this. The office person I talked to knew nothing. And of course the
SSA website is also mute on this. Dennis was unfortunately on another
call, so I didn't get a chance to ask him.

Tom Serkowski
ASH-26E (5Z)

tango4 wrote:

How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on say a new 777?

This is no issue, as everybody is buying Airbus planes anyway. :-)

Stefan

"Stefan" wrote in message
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tango4 wrote:

How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on say a new 777?

This is no issue, as everybody is buying Airbus planes anyway. :-)

Stefan

Yes, thanks for contributing your tax euros to our tax dollars to allow
airlines such as Northwest to buy these with their government post 9/11
handout.

I particularly like the non-reclining seat (1-2") so that the passenger
behind me doesn't have the view of the TV made awkward. Hopefully one day
there will be more than QVC and other basic cable channels on offer.
Frontier has painted talking animal heads on their fleet of 319's.

Anyway, 500 Boeing design engineers are now located in Moscow, Russia and
the 7E7 wings will be built in Japan. Boeing employees are not even allowed
to take pictures of the production of Boeing wings, the technology was so
highly guarded. But then, Boeing is not what it used to be either.

Frank Whiteley

How they ever got a single Airbus piece of crap in the air is beyond me.
It simply proves that you can undercut any decent aircraft on price
and the Airlines will go for it. No wonder the Airlines can't survive!

Allan

"F.L. Whiteley" wrote in message
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"Stefan" wrote in message
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tango4 wrote:

How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on say a new 777?

This is no issue, as everybody is buying Airbus planes anyway. :-)

Stefan

Yes, thanks for contributing your tax euros to our tax dollars to allow
airlines such as Northwest to buy these with their government post 9/11
handout.

I particularly like the non-reclining seat (1-2") so that the passenger
behind me doesn't have the view of the TV made awkward. Hopefully one day
there will be more than QVC and other basic cable channels on offer.
Frontier has painted talking animal heads on their fleet of 319's.

Anyway, 500 Boeing design engineers are now located in Moscow, Russia and
the 7E7 wings will be built in Japan. Boeing employees are not even
allowed
to take pictures of the production of Boeing wings, the technology was so
highly guarded. But then, Boeing is not what it used to be either.

Frank Whiteley

U=BFytkownik ADP w wiadomo=B6ci do grup =
dyskusyjnych ...
How they ever got a single Airbus piece of crap in the air is beyond =
me.
It simply proves that you can undercut any decent aircraft on price
and the Airlines will go for it. No wonder the Airlines can't =
survive!
=20
Allan

O yes... Everything which hasn't been made in America must be crap... =
ROTFL!

JK

Janusz Kesik wrote:
U¿ytkownik ADP w wiadomo¶ci do grup dyskusyjnych ...

How they ever got a single Airbus piece of crap in the air is beyond me.
It simply proves that you can undercut any decent aircraft on price
and the Airlines will go for it. No wonder the Airlines can't survive!

Allan


O yes... Everything which hasn't been made in America must be crap... ROTFL!

No, no, not at all. I love my 'Skeeter. Just Air Bust is crap :-)

Shawn

That's "Scarebus", Bubba.
Cheers!


"Shawn" wrote in message
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Janusz Kesik wrote:
U¿ytkownik ADP w wiadomo¶ci do grup
dyskusyjnych ...

How they ever got a single Airbus piece of crap in the air is beyond me.
It simply proves that you can undercut any decent aircraft on price
and the Airlines will go for it. No wonder the Airlines can't survive!

Allan


O yes... Everything which hasn't been made in America must be crap...
ROTFL!

No, no, not at all. I love my 'Skeeter. Just Air Bust is crap :-)

Shawn

F.L. Whiteley wrote:

Yes, thanks for contributing your tax euros to our tax dollars to allow
airlines such as Northwest to buy these ["Airbus planes"] with their
government post 9/11 handout.

According to the US Treasury's Air Transportation Stabilization Board
website:

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/domes...activity.shtml

Northwest Airlines http://www.nwa.com is _not_ among those airlines
who have applied for and received so-called "bailout" funds from the
Federal Government, nor are any of the other largest US Airlines, with
the exception of UAL who have yet to have any of their applications
approved.

The 319-320-321 series of Airbus aircraft fit the needs, and the pocket
books, of the several US Airlines who operate them better than the
competing models from Boeing. Sorry about that. Perhaps your company
operates differently and doesn't mind subsidizing competing suppliers
whose products/prices don't quite measure up to your needs. The
stockholders of NWA do not agree. The 40,000 employees of NWA are glad
that they are not among those workers whose airlines have declared
bankruptcy.

I prefer to "buy American" myself, and I wish that no Airbus aircraft
had ever been sold to a US Airline, but then I don't have to answer to a
Board of Directors nor a horde of stockholders about purchasing
decisions. Do you own and drive US-made automobiles Frank, or even ones
constructed primarily in N. America? I hope so.


Jack

hmm, I'll have to check back with Lou Dobbs on that one.

Dodge and Ford, but clearly many Canadian parts;^)

Frank

"Jack" wrote in message
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F.L. Whiteley wrote:

Yes, thanks for contributing your tax euros to our tax dollars to allow
airlines such as Northwest to buy these ["Airbus planes"] with their
government post 9/11 handout.

According to the US Treasury's Air Transportation Stabilization Board
website:

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/domes...activity.shtml

Northwest Airlines http://www.nwa.com is _not_ among those airlines
who have applied for and received so-called "bailout" funds from the
Federal Government, nor are any of the other largest US Airlines, with
the exception of UAL who have yet to have any of their applications
approved.

The 319-320-321 series of Airbus aircraft fit the needs, and the pocket
books, of the several US Airlines who operate them better than the
competing models from Boeing. Sorry about that. Perhaps your company
operates differently and doesn't mind subsidizing competing suppliers
whose products/prices don't quite measure up to your needs. The
stockholders of NWA do not agree. The 40,000 employees of NWA are glad
that they are not among those workers whose airlines have declared
bankruptcy.

I prefer to "buy American" myself, and I wish that no Airbus aircraft
had ever been sold to a US Airline, but then I don't have to answer to a
Board of Directors nor a horde of stockholders about purchasing
decisions. Do you own and drive US-made automobiles Frank, or even ones
constructed primarily in N. America? I hope so.


Jack

According to the US Treasury's Air Transportation Stabilization Board
website:


http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/domes...activity.shtml

Northwest Airlines http://www.nwa.com is _not_ among those airlines
who have applied for and received so-called "bailout" funds from the
Federal Government, nor are any of the other largest US Airlines, with
the exception of UAL who have yet to have any of their applications
approved.

Interestingly, HR2926 authorized $15B, of which $10B were loan guarantees
(UAL case) and $5B in direct grants. Oddly, there is no mention of any
grant funds being requested nor dispersed via ATSB though the industry
stated losses were claimed to be $330M/day and would have qualified for the
grants. Lou Dobbs made the assertion on his 9/15 program that NWA had spent
$400M of these funds on Airbus acquisitions. That may have been citing the
documentary snippet 'American Jobs' that he was borrowing from that week. I
note there is no mention of this assertion in the transcripts of that day's
program. Nor have I found a retraction in subsequent programs. I e-mailed
CNN/Lou Dobbs for clarification on this assertion. Interestingly, I found
another assertion elsewhere that 50 percent of Airbus derives from US
sources8^) I have no real problem with globalized industries, other than
valued technologies are virtually given away. However, U.S. deflation is a
relatively painful process though it's at least 25 years overdue. The flip
side may mean we do things a heap smarter domestically sooner rather than
later.

Frank
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