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November 27th 04, 05:33 AM
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Eric Greenwell wrote:
Mark James Boyd wrote: In the US, I'm not aware of any ACTUAL midair collisions between a glider and non-glider that are more than 4 miles from an airport. About 15 years ago near Ephrata, Washington, there was a glider/airplane collision about 10 miles from the airport. Everyone was killed. I don't remember the details, or even if they were determined with any confidence. Can't find this one in fatals/glider/state of washington on NTSB. Hmmm... Looked for 1980 to 1999... I seem to recall one near Truckee 5-10 years ago, but don't remember how far it was from the airport. 3/31/1998, Grob 102 vs. Aero Commander 690, vicinity of the airport, all uninjured -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA -- ------------+ Mark J. Boyd 
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November 27th 04, 07:14 AM
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"Mark James Boyd" wrote in message news:41a81fb1$1@darkstar... Eric Greenwell wrote: Mark James Boyd wrote: In the US, I'm not aware of any ACTUAL midair collisions between a glider and non-glider that are more than 4 miles from an airport. About 15 years ago near Ephrata, Washington, there was a glider/airplane collision about 10 miles from the airport. Everyone was killed. I don't remember the details, or even if they were determined with any confidence. Can't find this one in fatals/glider/state of washington on NTSB. Hmmm... Looked for 1980 to 1999... I seem to recall one near Truckee 5-10 years ago, but don't remember how far it was from the airport. 3/31/1998, Grob 102 vs. Aero Commander 690, vicinity of the airport, all uninjured Yes, but VERY lucky. The empennage was sort of flopping about. The landing was not pretty. Frank
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November 29th 04, 04:18 PM
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Carl J. Niedermeyer wrote:
I believe the accident Eric is referring to occurred in 1978 between a Piper PA-32R (Lance or Saratoga, I forget which) and my partner flying our LS1-f. 5 people were killed, no surviviors. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=39335&key=0 Amazing how long ago this accident happened. Hmmm...the accident reports don't indicate if this was very near a gliderport or near Moses Lake (the Piper's departure point). I'd be interested in more details, if they are available. I suppose the altitude of the collision is unknown... -- ------------+ Mark J. Boyd
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November 30th 04, 03:19 AM
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In article 41ab5a00$1@darkstar,
(Mark James Boyd) wrote: Carl J. Niedermeyer wrote: I believe the accident Eric is referring to occurred in 1978 between a Piper PA-32R (Lance or Saratoga, I forget which) and my partner flying our LS1-f. 5 people were killed, no surviviors. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=39335&key=0 Amazing how long ago this accident happened. Hmmm...the accident reports don't indicate if this was very near a gliderport or near Moses Lake (the Piper's departure point). I'd be interested in more details, if they are available. I suppose the altitude of the collision is unknown... -- ------------+ Mark J. Boyd The accident occurred approximately 7 or 8 nm miles West of Ephrata, where we fly from. The altimeter in the LS1-f was broken with the hands indicating about 6700 feet MSL (IIRC), about 5000 feet AGL. There were no clouds that day and visibilty was 150 miles. I have the complete report somewhere in my files. Carl J. Niedermeyer Washington State USA
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November 30th 04, 05:57 AM
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Carl J. Niedermeyer wrote:
(Mark James Boyd) wrote: The accident occurred approximately 7 or 8 nm miles West of Ephrata, where we fly from. The altimeter in the LS1-f was broken with the hands indicating about 6700 feet MSL (IIRC), about 5000 feet AGL. There were no clouds that day and visibilty was 150 miles. I have the complete report somewhere in my files. Geez. This sounds like a pure one-in-a-million case of crappy luck. The chance of two aircraft in all that 3-dimensional space hitting each other, while just flying around, is almost astronomical. An astronomical number of hours of flight in the USA in the past century multiplied by a miniscule chance of a random collision = ? I don't know what to conclude from this, but thank you for your investigation and response. Perhaps others will have comments. -- ------------+ Mark J. Boyd
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November 30th 04, 06:36 PM
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November 30th 04, 04:35 AM
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Mark James Boyd wrote:
Carl J. Niedermeyer wrote: I believe the accident Eric is referring to occurred in 1978 between a Piper PA-32R (Lance or Saratoga, I forget which) and my partner flying our LS1-f. 5 people were killed, no surviviors. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=39335&key=0 Amazing how long ago this accident happened. Hmmm...the accident reports don't indicate if this was very near a gliderport or near Moses Lake (the Piper's departure point). I'd be interested in more details, if they are available. I suppose the altitude of the collision is unknown... Carl N. can tell you more accurately, but I recall it was about 10 miles NW of Ephrata airport, where the glider launched from, and probably in the 5000-7000 msl range. -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA
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