Real-world IFR currency

Victor J. Osborne, Jr. wrote:
The regs say no. That's why many use hoods and safety pilots to keep
current.

Sure wish you'd include a little context from the posting you are replying to so
I'd have some idea what you are talking about. You can't depend on people seeing
the same sequence of postings that you see, and just backing up one posting. The
order of arrival of postings is server-dependent. Thanks.

In article 1108486843.338708@sj-nntpcache-5, Dave Butler
wrote:

Victor J. Osborne, Jr. wrote:
The regs say no. That's why many use hoods and safety pilots to keep
current.

Sure wish you'd include a little context from the posting you are replying to
so
I'd have some idea what you are talking about. You can't depend on people
seeing
the same sequence of postings that you see, and just backing up one posting.
The
order of arrival of postings is server-dependent. Thanks.

The original question was: under what circumstances can an approach be
logged for the purposes of maintaining IFR currency? Obviously if
you're under the hood with a safety pilot or in hard IMC to minimums you
can log it, and if you're in VMC without a hood you can't. But where is
the line?

rg

There is no requirement to fly an approach "in hard IMC to minimums".

The last thing I saw published by tthe FAA was that the approach had merely
to be "initiated" in IMC to be loggable.


"Ron Garret" wrote in message
...
In article 1108486843.338708@sj-nntpcache-5, Dave Butler
wrote:

Victor J. Osborne, Jr. wrote:
The regs say no. That's why many use hoods and safety pilots to keep
current.

Sure wish you'd include a little context from the posting you are
replying to
so
I'd have some idea what you are talking about. You can't depend on
people
seeing
the same sequence of postings that you see, and just backing up one
posting.
The
order of arrival of postings is server-dependent. Thanks.

The original question was: under what circumstances can an approach be
logged for the purposes of maintaining IFR currency? Obviously if
you're under the hood with a safety pilot or in hard IMC to minimums you
can log it, and if you're in VMC without a hood you can't. But where is
the line?

rg

The last thing I saw published by tthe FAA was that the approach had merely
to be "initiated" in IMC to be loggable.

The last thing I saw (the FAQ) indicated that it had to be to minimus
(though I suppose any class of minimums would do). Where did you read
from the FAA that initiating an approach in IMC, and continuing
visually, is sufficient for legal purposes?

Jose

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:24:13 GMT, Jose
wrote:

The last thing I saw published by tthe FAA was that the approach had merely
to be "initiated" in IMC to be loggable.

The last thing I saw (the FAQ) indicated that it had to be to minimus
(though I suppose any class of minimums would do). Where did you read
from the FAA that initiating an approach in IMC, and continuing
visually, is sufficient for legal purposes?

Jose


What exactly is "the FAQ"?

I read it in a response to a question in the FAANews, a FAA
publication which may or may not still be in existence.

It was a while ago, but I have never read anything in the interim to
contradict that statement.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:38:41 GMT, wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:24:13 GMT, Jose
wrote:

The last thing I saw published by tthe FAA was that the approach had merely
to be "initiated" in IMC to be loggable.

The last thing I saw (the FAQ) indicated that it had to be to minimus
(though I suppose any class of minimums would do). Where did you read
from the FAA that initiating an approach in IMC, and continuing
visually, is sufficient for legal purposes?

Jose


What exactly is "the FAQ"?

I read it in a response to a question in the FAANews, a FAA
publication which may or may not still be in existence.

It was a while ago, but I have never read anything in the interim to
contradict that statement.


That would be the FAAviation News, still around, apparently.

That would be the FAAviation News, still around, apparently.

Do you recall what issue it is? Online it only goes back to 2000 or so.

What exactly is "the FAQ"?

The FAA part 61 Faqs are located here (as a Word document):

http://www.firstgov.gov/fgsearch/res...cs/pt61FAQ.doc

The question about logging instrument approaches is answered on page
123, or you can search for the string:

QUESTION: As far as logging an approach in actual

Jose

"Ron Garret" wrote in message
...

The original question was: under what circumstances can an approach be
logged for the purposes of maintaining IFR currency? Obviously if
you're under the hood with a safety pilot or in hard IMC to minimums you
can log it, and if you're in VMC without a hood you can't. But where is
the line?


I'd log the approaches that were necessary to complete the flight. If
there's solid cloud at or below the MIA/MVA an approach is necessary to
reach the destination, even if the field is VMC.

I'd agree. This pretty much follows the "FAAviation News" rule.

If you initiate an approach in IMC, it's loggable.

Once I pass the IAF, or receive the first approach vector, if I am
IMC, it gets logged.


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:08:10 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Ron Garret" wrote in message
...

The original question was: under what circumstances can an approach be
logged for the purposes of maintaining IFR currency? Obviously if
you're under the hood with a safety pilot or in hard IMC to minimums you
can log it, and if you're in VMC without a hood you can't. But where is
the line?


I'd log the approaches that were necessary to complete the flight. If
there's solid cloud at or below the MIA/MVA an approach is necessary to
reach the destination, even if the field is VMC.

That's what I do and think it is supported by the regs. I don't have anyone
in the right seat telling me otherwise.

Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.



"Ron Garret"
The original question was: under what circumstances can an approach be
logged for the purposes of maintaining IFR currency? Obviously if
you're under the hood with a safety pilot or in hard IMC to minimums you
can log it, and if you're in VMC without a hood you can't. But where is
the line?


I'd log the approaches that were necessary to complete the flight. If
there's solid cloud at or below the MIA/MVA an approach is necessary to
reach the destination, even if the field is VMC.