Sukhoi PAK-FA ?

"forties" wrote in message
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1.
But they are not really doing that.

And question is why?!

Because they have much more pressing needs for every ruble in hard cash they
can get.


2.
Compared with the defence budgets of the USA ($417 billion),
or even the UK ($55 billion) this isnt going to buy
a lot of development.

You should see this page re Russian Economy
http://www.warfare.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57

3.
Do you have any information about Tu-202 stealth bomber?

Another stillborn paper concept, from what I gather. The only projects the
Russians have made any progress on are the ones that offer significant
export potential (like the spirals for the MiG-29, Su-27, and Su-30) or the
ones that they can get foreign development capital to support. They are
scratching hard to try and meet their obligations for the An-70 project, and
are behind the power curve on that one already. The single project aimed at
production to meet significant domestic needs that they have pursued of late
appears to be their new trainer/lead-in-fighter-trainer project. As Keith
quite accurately pointed out, their defense budget just will not support any
major new combat aircraft development right now, with the exception of those
programs they may jointly pursue with India and/or China.

Brooks

Another stillborn paper concept, from what I gather.
Well, although sounds like Tu-202 is myth I knew ex-RAF persons who
said they have seen this a/c during test flights in mid of '90s..

They are scratching hard to try and meet their obligations for the
An-70 project, and
are behind the power curve on that one already.

Antonov Design Bureau (AN-70) is Ukrainian company. Russians just
finance it.. and sounds like they were not/are not actually interested
in this a/c..

As Keith quite accurately pointed out, their defense budget just will
not support any
major new combat aircraft development right now, with the exception of
those
programs they may jointly pursue with India and/or China.

Knowing Russian internal security policy I am sure they will not let
to transfer such advanced technologies to other country for any sort of
cooperation especially for the development of future main Russian
fighter. Looks like they just use India/China to get money and play
with them... Rough proove of my words is that for instance any hardware
(a/c, missiles etc) sold to outside countries is light version (reduced
accuracy, etc) of equipment used in Russia's Armed Forces..

"forties" wrote in message
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Another stillborn paper concept, from what I gather.
Well, although sounds like Tu-202 is myth I knew ex-RAF persons who
said they have seen this a/c during test flights in mid of '90s..

Lots of UFOs are seen also...doesn't mean they are from outer space, though.
:-)


They are scratching hard to try and meet their obligations for the
An-70 project, and
are behind the power curve on that one already.

Antonov Design Bureau (AN-70) is Ukrainian company. Russians just
finance it.. and sounds like they were not/are not actually interested
in this a/c..

Actually, that is a joint project (the D-27 engines originate with MMPP
Salut in Moscow, don't they?). The Russians bought into it up front, then
backed out, or appeared to, and now they say they are back onboard...but are
reportedly a bit slow in actually living up to their end of the financial
bargain. Why? Because they are cash-strapped, plain and simple.


As Keith quite accurately pointed out, their defense budget just will
not support any
major new combat aircraft development right now, with the exception of
those
programs they may jointly pursue with India and/or China.

Knowing Russian internal security policy I am sure they will not let
to transfer such advanced technologies to other country for any sort of
cooperation especially for the development of future main Russian
fighter. Looks like they just use India/China to get money and play
with them... Rough proove of my words is that for instance any hardware
(a/c, missiles etc) sold to outside countries is light version (reduced
accuracy, etc) of equipment used in Russia's Armed Forces..

Not anymore. The latest Su-30 variants they have sold to India and China are
better equipped than anything they are flying in the Russian forces. And I
don't buy them being so stupid as to try and rip-off development funding
from either of those nations, as that would result in the shut down of a
major source of cash inflow for their military industries. Ain't gonna
happen, because if they lose their exports, they shrivel and die, 'cause the
Russian Federation just does not have the funds to keep them afloat by
itself.

Brooks

Actually, that is a joint project (the D-27 engines originate with
MMPP
Salut in Moscow, don't they?). The Russians bought into it up front,
then
backed out, or appeared to, and now they say they are back
onboard...but are
reportedly a bit slow in actually living up to their end of the
financial
bargain. Why? Because they are cash-strapped, plain and simple.

There's very interesting interview with Commander of RAF (Jan 2005).
"Commander of RAF decided do not answer questions about AN-70 a/c"
Russians actually doesn't/never been interested in this a/c. Cash is
not a reason- they have cash enough for modernization of all military
forces. Not mythical money like US who is economical bankrupt but live
oil profits.

"forties" wrote in message
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Actually, that is a joint project (the D-27 engines originate with
MMPP
Salut in Moscow, don't they?). The Russians bought into it up front,
then
backed out, or appeared to, and now they say they are back
onboard...but are
reportedly a bit slow in actually living up to their end of the
financial
bargain. Why? Because they are cash-strapped, plain and simple.

There's very interesting interview with Commander of RAF (Jan 2005).
"Commander of RAF decided do not answer questions about AN-70 a/c"

For the very good reason is that its not part of his command.

Russians actually doesn't/never been interested in this a/c. Cash is
not a reason- they have cash enough for modernization of all military
forces.

Yet they havent done so.


Not mythical money like US who is economical bankrupt but live
oil profits.


Psst that would be Russia , the USA is a net importer of oil.

Keith