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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Why shouldn't his tenure status be reviewed?

Because he is simply expressing an unpopular opinion. The idea in
western culture is that we don't dick people over for their
opinions. That behavior we leave to non-western cultures.

It's one thing to have an opinion. No one is going to be worried about
some
wacko comparing the victims of 9/11 to the Nazis. Hell, there's a nut on
every street corner nowadays.

However, where his employer needs to become involved is when we find that
this opinion is being expressed by a guy who is actually being paid (by
"We
the People") to *teach* this kind of crap to students. At some point you
have to question the mental abilities of a guy who would be ignorant
enough
to draw such a comparison.

THAT is why his tenure is under review -- not because anyone wants to deny
him his rights.

His right to free speech does NOT include being paid to spew his neurotic
drivel.

Interestingly, the same ones screaming about his 1st Amendment rights are
the SAME ones that have been stomping on students and contrary faculty for
YEARS.

http://academicbias.com/bw101.html

"Matt Barrow" writes:

His right to free speech does NOT include being paid to spew his neurotic
drivel.

True, the 1st amendment right to free speech is not about tenure or
having a publically paid position to make the offending speech.

But tenure is a critical element of western freedoms.

Bob Fry wrote:
"Matt Barrow" writes:


His right to free speech does NOT include being paid to spew his neurotic
drivel.


True, the 1st amendment right to free speech is not about tenure or
having a publically paid position to make the offending speech.

But tenure is a critical element of western freedoms.

Tenure is one of the main reasons public education is as bad as it is.

"Newps" wrote in

But tenure is a critical element of western freedoms.

Tenure is one of the main reasons public education is as bad as it is.

And, no doubt, you can explain this in a bit more detail. What's the
alternative?

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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And, no doubt, you can explain this in a bit more detail. What's the
alternative?


Why must there be an alternative?

Newps writes:

Tenure is one of the main reasons public education is as bad as it is.

Huh?

Tenure as we're discussing here is university-level, academic tenure.
The USA still has some of the best universities in the world, and I'd
say tenure is partly responsible for that.

Maybe you're thinking of civil-service protection for grade-school
teachers.

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...

Tenure as we're discussing here is university-level, academic tenure.
The USA still has some of the best universities in the world, and I'd
say tenure is partly responsible for that.


Why? Tenure protects poor instructors.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Bob Fry wrote:
"Matt Barrow" writes:


His right to free speech does NOT include being paid to spew his
neurotic
drivel.


True, the 1st amendment right to free speech is not about tenure or
having a publically paid position to make the offending speech.

But tenure is a critical element of western freedoms.

No, rationality is.


Tenure is one of the main reasons public education is as bad as it is.

BINGO!!

"Matt Barrow" wrote

Tenure is one of the main reasons public education is as bad as it is.

BINGO!!


Statements like that show that you are only smart enough to play a game. ;-)
There are many problems in education, but tenure does not even make the top
ten. For you to say that, shows you are not in agreement with the experts
in education, or it's critics. Do some research.

Low teacher pay is the biggest single reason that public education is in
trouble, IMHO. Most smart people go to the public sector where they can
make double or triple their teacher salary.

A close second is the lack of support teachers get from administration, but
mainly, from most parents. Get a problem child? Meet the parent, *if* you
can get them to come to the school for a meeting. The apple does not fall
very far from the tree.

I said before, that I was not going to get sucked in on this debate. I'm
done, now.
--
Jim in NC

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...

True, the 1st amendment right to free speech is not about tenure or
having a publically paid position to make the offending speech.

But tenure is a critical element of western freedoms.


Why?