A new direction for an old thread: Crosswind landings

Bruce Hoult wrote:

If you want, you can side slip and when close to the ground use the
ailerons to level the wings. You are then in precisely the same
situation as if you crabbed and then kicked in rudder, except that
levelling the wings is probably easier and less critical than precisely
timing and judging a bootfull of rudder.

I think both are equally hard/easy in timing. Levelling the wings and
yawing straight both start the aircraft moving sideways across the
runway/strip and require the same accuracy of timing.

Judging the required control input is different. You used the phrase
"use the ailerons to level the wings". Why didn't you say "use rudder
to yaw the glider straight"?

The colourful phrase you actually used - "a bootfull of rudder" - from
an instructor has probably caused more students to find crosswind
landings difficult than any other aspect of the manoeuvre. Do you teach
the final part of a slipped landing as "shove the stick over"?

In my experience, old multiengine pilots like to crab and use rudder.
Old single engine pilots like to slip and use aileron. Which technique
is used just reflects the tribe you give your allegiance to. Both of
them work well if taught properly.

GC

Graeme Cant wrote:

Judging the required control input is different. You used the phrase
"use the ailerons to level the wings". Why didn't you say "use rudder
to yaw the glider straight"?

The colourful phrase you actually used - "a bootfull of rudder" - from
an instructor has probably caused more students to find crosswind
landings difficult than any other aspect of the manoeuvre.

My opinion exactly. How many pilots use slipping to correct for wind
while flying cross country? My wild guess is: none. We all crab without
even talking about it. So what is the reason they don't do so during the
landing?

I can think of only two reasons: They've never learnt to master the
rudder or they've never learnt to recognize and hold the runway axis
unless it's right ahead of their nose. Both reasons claim for more
training, not a change of method.

Stefan

Additionally, if you don't crab to stay centered during final, you stalling
speed will be higher. I never saw anybody slipping for wind correction in a
glider in Europe...

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


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Graeme Cant wrote:

Judging the required control input is different. You used the phrase
"use the ailerons to level the wings". Why didn't you say "use rudder to
yaw the glider straight"?

The colourful phrase you actually used - "a bootfull of rudder" - from an
instructor has probably caused more students to find crosswind landings
difficult than any other aspect of the manoeuvre.

My opinion exactly. How many pilots use slipping to correct for wind while
flying cross country? My wild guess is: none. We all crab without even
talking about it. So what is the reason they don't do so during the
landing?

I can think of only two reasons: They've never learnt to master the rudder
or they've never learnt to recognize and hold the runway axis unless it's
right ahead of their nose. Both reasons claim for more training, not a
change of method.

Stefan