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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I think you're spitting in the wind and I doubt most of your audience is
getting what you're saying, but I agree 100% with all you've written
regarding "the Churchill Incident" here.

While I agree with academic tenure, and I fully support every professor's
right to say whatever he wants, to whomever he wants, in the context of
"education", without fear of retribution -- I think there is a legitimate
point at which an employer has to start questioning the mental stability
and
ability of the person in question.

He's still an employee and while he may be censured and lose tenure, his
freedom of speech is in no way abridged.

He's not jailed, or shipped to the salt mines, and he can still spew his
crap on any street corner and will most likely always have a platform
provided by the MSM.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Tenure protects the jobs of poor teachers.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. It also protects teachers who
do not conform to the status quo.

Don't believe that a poor teacher can not be thrown out. It is difficult,
but it can be done.

In conclusion, don't make solid clad, general statements. They always are
wrong. g
--
Jim in NC

"Matt Barrow" wrote

Tenure is one of the main reasons public education is as bad as it is.

BINGO!!


Statements like that show that you are only smart enough to play a game. ;-)
There are many problems in education, but tenure does not even make the top
ten. For you to say that, shows you are not in agreement with the experts
in education, or it's critics. Do some research.

Low teacher pay is the biggest single reason that public education is in
trouble, IMHO. Most smart people go to the public sector where they can
make double or triple their teacher salary.

A close second is the lack of support teachers get from administration, but
mainly, from most parents. Get a problem child? Meet the parent, *if* you
can get them to come to the school for a meeting. The apple does not fall
very far from the tree.

I said before, that I was not going to get sucked in on this debate. I'm
done, now.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Tenure protects the jobs of poor teachers.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. It also protects teachers
who
do not conform to the status quo.

Protects them from what?


Don't believe that a poor teacher can not be thrown out. It is difficult,
but it can be done.

An example of a teacher with tenure being thrown out (other than for
criminal misconduct) would be appreciated.


In conclusion, don't make solid clad, general statements. They always are
wrong. g

Our education systems, from kindergarten all the way through the most
advanced levels is abysmal. It's a bit of the inmates not only running the
asylum but providing the training for the rest of the inmates. :~(

I remember one of the reasons I had you in the wacko bin. Plonk

"Matt Barrow" writes:


Tenure protects the jobs of poor teachers.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. It also protects teachers
who
do not conform to the status quo.

Protects them from what?

From simple-minded extremists. Look in a mirror....

In conclusion, don't make solid clad, general statements. They always are
wrong. g

Our education systems, from kindergarten all the way through the most
advanced levels is abysmal.

No, they're not abysmal. USA universities are some of the best in the
world. Most of our grade schools aren't that bad.

Anyway, how could kindergarten be "abysmal?" All you gotta do is play
with toys and take naps. You've been reading too much doomsday
agitprop from conservatives. And you can't even tell the difference
between the tenure discussed in the current thread (academic,
university-level) with standard civil-service rules at the
grade-school level.

I work with engineers from many other countries in my job. The
engineer from the US is still the best, on average. In general
engineers from other countries are far too academic and don't have a
can-do, get the job done attitude. I'll take the US-educated
professional anytime.

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. It also protects teachers
who
do not conform to the status quo.


Why would good teachers that do not conform to the status quo need
protection?



Don't believe that a poor teacher can not be thrown out. It is difficult,
but it can be done.


It would be easier without tenure.



In conclusion, don't make solid clad, general statements. They always are
wrong. g


Are you disputing my statement? Does tenure not protect the jobs of poor
teachers?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Why would good teachers that do not conform to the status quo need
protection?

duh?

It would be easier without tenure.

Your point is?

In conclusion, don't make solid clad, general statements. They always
are
wrong. g

Are you disputing my statement? Does tenure not protect the jobs of poor
teachers?

Yes. It also protects teachers that a principal, or board member gets a
personal hard on for, with no justification other than personal differences.
It does happen.

Now, they can make the teacher's life hell but they can not fire them. Good
thing.

I'm done. Bye.
--
Jim in NC

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message


His point was that we are ALL complicit in
the origin of terrorism.

Y'know, it's comments like this one that earn you the one-finger salute,
Pete.

You're just as entitled to your opinion as Churchill is to his. You're also
just as entitled to the consequences of voicing it.

--
John T
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"Morgans" wrote in message
...

duh?


Did you not understand the question?



Your point is?


Tenure contributes to lower quality education because it makes it more
difficult to remove bad teachers.



Yes. It also protects teachers that a principal, or board member gets a
personal hard on for, with no justification other than personal
differences.
It does happen.

Now, they can make the teacher's life hell but they can not fire them.
Good
thing.


Why would a principal or board member make a good teacher's life hell?



I'm done.


I'm not surprised.



Bye.


Bye.