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Old February 24th 05, 09:04 PM
Alan
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Colin, I agree with you completely. I live at the base of the
Rockies and have flown the "rocks" for 10 years in various singles,
the last 7 or so in my 182.

My personal limit is that I'd never attempt it at night. Too many
variables and too few options should there be an emergency. I'll take
it one further and again, it's just my own personal limiter. Call me
wimp, doesn't bother me. I won't fly a single at night, period.
I've done it and it was beautiful but I don't like the idea of looking
for an emergency landing option blindfolded.

For me, safe flying is all about exercising prudent judgement.
Granted, this can be very subjective although sometimes there are
absolutes. Such as taking off into a cell where 2000fpm downdrafts
have been reported. But, for me, mountain flying is strictly a
daylight activity.

Alan Bloom
N8565T
'60 Skylane

Dogs can fly.
http://www.flyingmutts.com


On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:01:18 +1300, "Cockpit Colin"
wrote:

motorcycles. news here a couple of weeks ago about some poor old fart
who was sitting on his porch when an 18-wheeler tire exploded and blew
him away. true.


In my opinion it's more accurate to say that "so and so was prepared to
accept a level of risk that is higher than what I would be prepared to
accept" than it is to call something "dangerous". Unfortunately, too many
pilots continue to accept too high a level of risk - and as a result, they
keep on dying horrible deaths.

For me, safety isn't about the number of times you prepare for an event that
never happens (eg wearing a seatbelt when you didn't have an accident) -
it's all about avoiding the one time when something does go wrong - and the
pilot is totally unprepared to cope with it.

Night flying over inhospitable terrain in a single? No thanks - not for me.



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Old February 24th 05, 10:44 PM
Morgans
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Nice web site.

Have you ever considered home brewing a fire protectin system for your
house? A pipe on the roof with holes drilled in it to keep the shingles
wet. Directional irrigation sprinklers keeping the walls wet. A high
volume irrigation pump, I'm thinking gas, so power outages will not be a
problem. Pump out of the swimming pool. If you don't have a pool, now you
have an excuse to get one!
--
Jim in NC


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Old March 1st 05, 05:57 PM
George Patterson
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Morgans wrote:

Have you ever considered home brewing a fire protectin system for your
house? A pipe on the roof with holes drilled in it to keep the shingles
wet. Directional irrigation sprinklers keeping the walls wet.


Real sprinkler heads will do a much better job and are not all that expensive.
For this type of system, you could use open heads. IIRC, each head typically
covers 150'sq.

A high
volume irrigation pump, I'm thinking gas, so power outages will not be a
problem. Pump out of the swimming pool. If you don't have a pool, now you
have an excuse to get one!


Two basic types of pumps are usually used for this sort of thing. A diaphram
pump (such as a "mud puppy") will maintain constant pressure. A piston pump
maintains constant volume. A properly sized piston pump would be best in an open
system.

I no longer remember the flow figures, but a swimming pool wouldn't last long
enough to handle a situation such as the brush fires California suffers.

I spent a year designing systems for Grinnell Fire Protection once.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.
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Old February 25th 05, 01:30 AM
Cockpit Colin
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Hi fellow wimp

For me, safe flying is all about exercising prudent judgement.
Granted, this can be very subjective although sometimes there are
absolutes. Such as taking off into a cell where 2000fpm downdrafts
have been reported. But, for me, mountain flying is strictly a
daylight activity.


Or perhaps a slightly different slant ...

"In any situation if you can choose to do something 2 ways - one being more
safe - the other being less safe - then why on earth wouldn't you choose the
safer one?



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Old February 25th 05, 11:33 AM
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Cockpit Colin wrote:

Hi fellow wimp


For me, safe flying is all about exercising prudent judgement.
Granted, this can be very subjective although sometimes there are
absolutes. Such as taking off into a cell where 2000fpm downdrafts
have been reported. But, for me, mountain flying is strictly a
daylight activity.



Or perhaps a slightly different slant ...

"In any situation if you can choose to do something 2 ways - one being more
safe - the other being less safe - then why on earth wouldn't you choose the
safer one?


Because the less safe one may be more rewarding. We do lots of
activities that aren't absolutely necessary. Mountain climbing is more
dangerous than many other ways to get to the top of a mountain, but lots
of folks do it.

I like to tour on a motorcycle. It certainly isn't the safest way to
get from point A to point B, but it is very rewarding.


Matt


Matt
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Old February 25th 05, 04:14 PM
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:33:36 -0500, Matt Whiting
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I like to tour on a motorcycle. It certainly isn't the safest way to
get from point A to point B, but it is very rewarding.


But, would you make that journey to point B in a pitch black night,
with no headlight or tail light?

I'm not risk averse, I'm stupid averse.
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Old February 25th 05, 09:18 PM
Matt Whiting
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Alan wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:33:36 -0500, Matt Whiting
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I like to tour on a motorcycle. It certainly isn't the safest way to
get from point A to point B, but it is very rewarding.



But, would you make that journey to point B in a pitch black night,
with no headlight or tail light?

I'm not risk averse, I'm stupid averse.


No, because that would constitute riding with broken equipment. I
wouldn't fly a single at night in IMC without cockpit lights or radios
either, but I will and have with all equipment working. Sure, if the
engine quits it will be ugly, but that is a very remote possibility and
one that I accept every now and again if the trip is important enough.


Matt
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Old February 26th 05, 02:01 AM
Morgans
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"Matt Whiting" wrote

Sure, if the
engine quits it will be ugly, but that is a very remote possibility and
one that I accept every now and again if the trip is important enough.


Matt


Do me a favor, and settle a bet. Would you mind telling us how old you are?
--
Jim in NC


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Old February 26th 05, 03:24 AM
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Ok, I fly IMC at night, single engine on the east coast. Granted, they
aren't as high as the Rockies or Sierra Nevada mountains. But day or
night, they still don't provide a good place to land.

When I fly at night, I have two flash lights (minimum), spare batteries
for both. If any light in/on the plane is not working, it is a no-go.
The GPS must have the most current map, the VORs must have just been
tested (e.g., in air, VOT, etc.), both radios must be functional, I
carry both VFR and IFR charts and both are marked for planned flight. I
generally file for 7,000 to 10,000 (well above the Min altitudes) and
ask for direct. My wife generally is following along on the VFR charts
to know where the closest airport is (and we use the GPS to assist in
this). Oh, did I mention I also have a hand-held GPS as well? And I
work at *NOT* getting into icing conditions (probably why the plane has
been in the hanger since November 04).

I am 49, 330+ hours, have a family that flies with me in IMC.

Regards,
Steve.T
PP ASEL/Instrument

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Old February 26th 05, 04:42 PM
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Morgans wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote

Sure, if the

engine quits it will be ugly, but that is a very remote possibility and
one that I accept every now and again if the trip is important enough.


Matt



Do me a favor, and settle a bet. Would you mind telling us how old you are?


45. Who won the bet? :-)


Matt
 




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