IFR then VFR back to KPAO

How do you get this approach? Isn't Moffet restricted without prior
permission to GA? I'd love to use that technique instead of shotting
the HWC LOC and going low over the bay...

Ross Oliver wrote:
Alternatively, you could ask for the Moffet ILS approach, then go
VFR or SVFR to PAO.

Yeah! There's a Moffet ILS approach? It's not in the regular charts.
Maybe in some military addendum? Are those flyable by civilians like
us? I'm pretty sure landing is out of the question, but if we could use
the approach, that would be perfect!

-- dave j

max wrote:
How do you get this approach? Isn't Moffet restricted without prior
permission to GA? I'd love to use that technique instead of shotting
the HWC LOC and going low over the bay...

Ross Oliver wrote:
Alternatively, you could ask for the Moffet ILS approach, then go
VFR or SVFR to PAO.

Taking a look at the airnav entry for Moffett (www.airnav.com/airport/KNUQ),
there is a published ILS RW 32R approach:

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0501/00410I32R.PDF

This should be in the SW-2 (20 Jan 2005) approach plates (which I don't
have physically in front of me right now to verify).

-- Dane

In article .com,
wrote:

Yeah! There's a Moffet ILS approach? It's not in the regular charts.
Maybe in some military addendum? Are those flyable by civilians like
us? I'm pretty sure landing is out of the question, but if we could use
the approach, that would be perfect!

-- dave j

max wrote:
How do you get this approach? Isn't Moffet restricted without prior
permission to GA? I'd love to use that technique instead of shotting
the HWC LOC and going low over the bay...

Ross Oliver wrote:
Alternatively, you could ask for the Moffet ILS approach, then go
VFR or SVFR to PAO.

It is my opinion that by shooting this approach, you are opening
yourself up to a possible violation. Let me explain... take a look at
the missed approach procedure for this IAP. You will note that it
requires you to track direct a TACAN, then a radial out of it to an
intersection. I believe if they wanted to, a fed could easily give you
a violation for not having the appropriate equipment for the approach.

Lynne

Dane Spearing wrote:
Taking a look at the airnav entry for Moffett
(www.airnav.com/airport/KNUQ),
there is a published ILS RW 32R approach:

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0501/00410I32R.PDF

This should be in the SW-2 (20 Jan 2005) approach plates (which I
don't
have physically in front of me right now to verify).

-- Dane

It is my opinion that by shooting this approach, you are opening
yourself up to a possible violation. Let me explain... take a look at
the missed approach procedure for this IAP. You will note that it
requires you to track direct a TACAN, then a radial out of it to an
intersection. I believe if they wanted to, a fed could easily give you
a violation for not having the appropriate equipment for the approach.

So request the approach with an alternate missed approach procedure.
They can grant it or not. If they do, and it fits your equipment,
you're all set. IF they don't, it's their polite way of saing "go away".

Jose
--
Nothing is more powerful than a commercial interest.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Lynne wrote:
It is my opinion that by shooting this approach, you are opening
yourself up to a possible violation. Let me explain... take a look at
the missed approach procedure for this IAP. You will note that it
requires you to track direct a TACAN, then a radial out of it to an
intersection. I believe if they wanted to, a fed could easily give you
a violation for not having the appropriate equipment for the approach.

I don't know about current Garmin 430 databases, but their simulator
has the PAULZ intersection in there. As for getting cleared into
Moffett, umm, you might have a better chance at getting an approach
into Nellis or Beale (NOT!). Maybe I'm wrong though. Also if you
get an approach into Moffett, they will still have to vector you
all around the bay area. You might as well get the approach into PAO.

DA for the Moffet ILS 32R is 227. MDA
for PAO is I think 460 so it is not that much better....then again
I shooting the approach into PAO to minimums must be fun since that
runway is so small. I've shot practice approaches there and have
landed there many many times but doing it to minimums must be fun.

Gerald

Lynne wrote:

It is my opinion that by shooting this approach, you are opening
yourself up to a possible violation. Let me explain... take a look at
the missed approach procedure for this IAP. You will note that it
requires you to track direct a TACAN,

Doesn't matter. You request an alternate missed approach. That makes
the published missed irrelavant.

Yeah, I thought about this, and having done a lot of hangar flying in
the various flying club lounges at PAO, I've never heard of anyone
doing this. I'd bet it's off limits. And the vectoring would likely be
the same.

Actually, it's not quite clear to me why they're so willing to give the
PAO GPS approach and not the VOR/DME. They're both in the "same general
area." The VOR/DME obviously, is based on the SJC VOR, but with radar
vectors to the FAC rather than a flyover of the VOR I don't see why it
has to be so much more disruptive to SJC traffic as the PAO.

It's just one of those unknowables.

By the way, are the Moffett approaches in the NOS approach books? If
so, why? They are not in the Jepps.

PS -- It would be a truly lovely thing if Moffett were open to GA.
Imagine being able to rent a tiedown without being on a multi-year
waiting list!

-- dave j

As for getting cleared into
Moffett, umm, you might have a better chance at getting an approach
into Nellis or Beale (NOT!). Maybe I'm wrong though. Also if you
get an approach into Moffett, they will still have to vector you
all around the bay area.

wrote:
....
PS -- It would be a truly lovely thing if Moffett were open to GA.
Imagine being able to rent a tiedown without being on a multi-year
waiting list!

Let us not hold our breath. Last I knew, not only the feds but the
adjacent cities of Mountain View and Sunnyvale were dead-set against it.

As for pop-up approaches into PAO, might as well try for a pop-up into
SJC, cancel IFR, and scud-run across the top of Moffett (the de-facto
PAO approach for years).


--
Weav PP ASEL IA about 10 years uncurrent

Dave,
You can find & download the approaches for Moffett (KNUQ) at Airnav.com but
that site *currently* references the last update cycle (0501 - 20 Jan 05).
To ensure you get the chart from the current cycle (0502 - 17 Feb 05), check
the source: https://164.214.2.62/products/digita...ndex.cfm#term2

(Granted, the chart may not have changed since the 0501 cycle but it's
always best to check the fine print along the chart's margin just to be sure
you're looking at the current info.)

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oups.com...

Yeah! There's a Moffet ILS approach? It's not in the regular charts.
Maybe in some military addendum? Are those flyable by civilians like
us? I'm pretty sure landing is out of the question, but if we could use
the approach, that would be perfect!

-- dave j

max wrote:
How do you get this approach? Isn't Moffet restricted without prior
permission to GA? I'd love to use that technique instead of shotting
the HWC LOC and going low over the bay...

Ross Oliver wrote:
Alternatively, you could ask for the Moffet ILS approach, then go
VFR or SVFR to PAO.