Lost comm procedures

In article 1109961293.32139@sj-nntpcache-3, Dave Butler
wrote:


I hope I don't seem too critical here, but you seem so resistant about this...

I wasn't being resistant, I was just asking a question. And I don't
think you're too critical, but I do think we have an honest difference
of opinion here. I don't think it would have saved anyone much effort
if I'd listed all the URLs for all the approaches into SNA. In general,
I think it's good to list a URL if it's a reference to some obscure bit
of information, but in the case of approach plates in a newsgroup
dedicated to IFR flying I assume that everyone knows where to find them,
and everyone has their own favorite source.

In any case, my question got answered so it's a moot point.

No, it implied that I wasn't familiar with COOGA, which in turn implied
that I wasn't familiar with the approach that he thought I was supposed
to be flying.

This theme has bothered me throughout the thread. Were you not told which
approach to expect? You shouldn't have to infer a choice of approaches based
on a fix that you are cleared to.

I was told to fly direct COOGA before I was cleared for the approach,
before I got ATIS, and before I was told which approach to expect. By
the time I was cleared I was so confused that I don't actually recall
whether the controller said "cleared for the VOR-A approach" or just
"cleared for the approach." (I contemplated asking for the tapes to go
over what had happened, but decided not to. This happened a while ago
so it's probably too late now.)

I appreciate all the feedback and advice. Thanks.

rg

Ron Garret wrote:
I don't think it would have saved anyone much effort
if I'd listed all the URLs for all the approaches into SNA.

Sigh. Yes it would have been easier to click directly on a link you posted
than for me to go look it up myself. It's really to your advantage to make
it easier for somebody to answer. The easier you make it, the more likely
you are to get good answers.

Eric Raymond wrote on this subject a while ago, it's worth reading his
essay. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Roy Smith wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:
I don't think it would have saved anyone much effort
if I'd listed all the URLs for all the approaches into SNA.

Sigh. Yes it would have been easier to click directly on a link you posted
than for me to go look it up myself. It's really to your advantage to make
it easier for somebody to answer. The easier you make it, the more likely
you are to get good answers.

Plus, unless we know the state in which an airport is located, we can't even
find it on the NACO site.

In article , wrote:

Roy Smith wrote:

Ron Garret wrote:
I don't think it would have saved anyone much effort
if I'd listed all the URLs for all the approaches into SNA.

Sigh. Yes it would have been easier to click directly on a link you posted
than for me to go look it up myself. It's really to your advantage to make
it easier for somebody to answer. The easier you make it, the more likely
you are to get good answers.

Plus, unless we know the state in which an airport is located, we can't even
find it on the NACO site.

Well, I did mention is was southern California in the original post.
But if you go to the NACO DPP page and type in SNA (or any other airport
identifier) you get all the plates associated with that airport. (I
didn't know this until just now.) You don't need to know what state
it's in.

The URL for the NACO DPP page is:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/digital_tpp....005&end=3-17-2
005

but note that as the effective date is built in to this URL it will
change over time. This page:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp

contains a link that I presume gets updated to the current revision.

rg

Ron Garret wrote:

Well, I did mention is was southern California in the original post.
But if you go to the NACO DPP page and type in SNA (or any other airport
identifier) you get all the plates associated with that airport. (I
didn't know this until just now.) You don't need to know what state
it's in.


I wasn't faulting you. I was commenting to Roy about a lot of previous posts here
that just say something like "The VOR-A" at 6Q7."

Interesting to know there is a workaround at the NACO site. I don't think that
option was there when they fired up the site.