CFI without commercial?

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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" With respect to the holding of medical certificates by a flight
instructor, the FAA has determined that the compensation a certificated
flight instructor receives for flight instruction is not compensation for
piloting the aircraft, but rather is compensation for the instruction. A
certificated flight instructor who is acting as pilot in command or as a
required flight crewmember and is receiving compensation for his or her
flight instruction is only exercising the privileges of a private pilot.
A
certificated flight instructor who is acting as pilot in command or as a
required flight crewmember and receiving compensation for his or her
flight
instruction is not carrying passengers or property for compensation or
hire,
nor is he or she, for compensation or hire, acting as pilot in command of
an
aircraft. . . . In this same regard, the FAA has determined that a
certificated flight instructor on board an aircraft for the purpose of
providing flight instruction, who does not act as pilot in command or
function as a required flight crewmember, is not performing or exercising
pilot privileges that would require him or her to possess a valid medical
certificate under the FARs."


Is this the same FAA that deemed "free" flight time to be compensation
itself if it's used to gain another certificate?



ANSWER: An instructor is not necessarily required to act as PIC to give
instruction, but is allowed to log instruction time as PIC per §
61.51(e)(3). The only situations in which an instructor is required to
ACT
as PIC are during training of a student pilot or giving instrument
instruction to a non-instrument rated person while operating under
instrument flight rules (on an activated instrument flight plan)
regardless
of whether it is instrument meteorological or visual meteorological
conditions (IMC or VMC).


How can an instructor log flight time if he isn't flying?

Ask John Lynch.... oh, nevermind... he quit taking questions due to his high
workload.


Is this the same FAA that deemed "free" flight time to be compensation
itself if it's used to gain another certificate?

There is no "same" FAA, just ask them.


How can an instructor log flight time if he isn't flying?

That's the old "Acting as PIC" and being able to "log PIC time". Always
considered two differant things and an FAA'ism.

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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How can an instructor log flight time if he isn't flying?


That's the old "Acting as PIC" and being able to "log PIC time". Always
considered two differant things and an FAA'ism.


Considering doesn't make it so. An instructor logs flight time because he's
been flying.

An instructor does not log flight time.

He logs instruction given and he logs PIC time. None of my log books have a
column for "flight time".
Because it is legal to log PIC time for the time during which flight
instruction is given, he is able to log PIC time even if he never acts as
PIC, and even if the aircraft never leaves the ground, thus, he can log PIC
time when he isn't flying and he never logs "flight time".

The fact that the instructor is physically in the airplane does not mean
that the instructor is acting as PIC. The fact that the instructor is able
to log PIC time for that time he gives flight instruction does not mean that
the instructor has to act as PIC in order to log that time.

The fact that the instructor sits in the airplane and that flapping his arms
provides no significant lift is proof that the instructor is not flying,
only the airplane is flying, the student and instructor are acting as
pilots, in one form or another.

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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An instructor does not log flight time.


Of course they do, don't be silly.



He logs instruction given and he logs PIC time. None of my log books have
a
column for "flight time".


PIC time is flight time.



Because it is legal to log PIC time for the time during which flight
instruction is given, he is able to log PIC time even if he never acts as
PIC, and even if the aircraft never leaves the ground, thus, he can log
PIC
time when he isn't flying and he never logs "flight time".


PIC time is not the issue. The fact is that flight instructors are flying
for hire because they're flying and they're being paid while they're doing
it. That may bother you no end but that's the way it is, there's simply no
way around the logic.

That may bother you no end but that's the way it is, there's simply no
way around the logic.

The FAA finds ways around logic all the time.

g,d
Jose
--
Math is a game. The object of the game is to figure out the rules.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

PIC time is not the issue. The fact is that flight instructors are flying
for hire because they're flying and they're being paid while they're doing
it. That may bother you no end but that's the way it is, there's simply
no
way around the logic.


That's your opinion, not the FAA's, and yours is not the one that matters.
I'll wait for word from them that you've convinced them to change the
Preamble to Part 61, but I won't hold my breath.

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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That's your opinion, not the FAA's, and yours is not the one that matters.


Actually, it's not an opinion at all.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
snip

whaow. I really really pity your CFI. Tough to get through to
you, isn't it?

--Sylvain

ps. the CFI might even be sitting in and giving instruction from
the back seat and still log that time as PIC.

"Sylvain" wrote in message
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ps. the CFI might even be sitting in and giving instruction from
the back seat and still log that time as PIC.


That's not the issue.