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"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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How can an instructor log flight time if he isn't flying?


That's the old "Acting as PIC" and being able to "log PIC time". Always
considered two differant things and an FAA'ism.


Considering doesn't make it so. An instructor logs flight time because he's
been flying.

An instructor does not log flight time.

He logs instruction given and he logs PIC time. None of my log books have a
column for "flight time".
Because it is legal to log PIC time for the time during which flight
instruction is given, he is able to log PIC time even if he never acts as
PIC, and even if the aircraft never leaves the ground, thus, he can log PIC
time when he isn't flying and he never logs "flight time".

The fact that the instructor is physically in the airplane does not mean
that the instructor is acting as PIC. The fact that the instructor is able
to log PIC time for that time he gives flight instruction does not mean that
the instructor has to act as PIC in order to log that time.

The fact that the instructor sits in the airplane and that flapping his arms
provides no significant lift is proof that the instructor is not flying,
only the airplane is flying, the student and instructor are acting as
pilots, in one form or another.

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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An instructor does not log flight time.


Of course they do, don't be silly.



He logs instruction given and he logs PIC time. None of my log books have
a
column for "flight time".


PIC time is flight time.



Because it is legal to log PIC time for the time during which flight
instruction is given, he is able to log PIC time even if he never acts as
PIC, and even if the aircraft never leaves the ground, thus, he can log
PIC
time when he isn't flying and he never logs "flight time".


PIC time is not the issue. The fact is that flight instructors are flying
for hire because they're flying and they're being paid while they're doing
it. That may bother you no end but that's the way it is, there's simply no
way around the logic.

That may bother you no end but that's the way it is, there's simply no
way around the logic.

The FAA finds ways around logic all the time.

g,d
Jose
--
Math is a game. The object of the game is to figure out the rules.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

PIC time is not the issue. The fact is that flight instructors are flying
for hire because they're flying and they're being paid while they're doing
it. That may bother you no end but that's the way it is, there's simply
no
way around the logic.


That's your opinion, not the FAA's, and yours is not the one that matters.
I'll wait for word from them that you've convinced them to change the
Preamble to Part 61, but I won't hold my breath.

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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That's your opinion, not the FAA's, and yours is not the one that matters.


Actually, it's not an opinion at all.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
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whaow. I really really pity your CFI. Tough to get through to
you, isn't it?

--Sylvain

ps. the CFI might even be sitting in and giving instruction from
the back seat and still log that time as PIC.

"Sylvain" wrote in message
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ps. the CFI might even be sitting in and giving instruction from
the back seat and still log that time as PIC.


That's not the issue.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Considering doesn't make it so. An instructor logs flight time because he's
been flying.

Not usually. He's been in an aircraft that someone else is flying. IIRC, none of
my instructors have done any flying during any training I've taken since I got
my PPSEL certificate.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Not usually. He's been in an aircraft that someone else is flying.


If he's in it he's flying.



IIRC, none of
my instructors have done any flying during any training I've taken since I
got
my PPSEL certificate.


Did they not accompany you?