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Kilo Charlie wrote:
You must be aware that a pilot stalled and spun with water at 600' attempting to get over the circle edge last season. So how is that safer??? Maybe some of us are crazy, but we would rather stall and spin at 600 feet, than 200 feet, with or without water. Of course, my competitive urges being what they are, if I had any doubts about being able to make it to a 500 foot 1 mile finish, I'd be either still someplace farther back, trying to climb higher, or sitting in a convenient field. I don't want to win badly enough to do stupid things... Marc |
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Final line is this Marc...you cannot legislate good judgement....period. If
you don't believe it then just go drive around in your car for awhile where there have already been put into place many laws in an attempt to do so. It is not the pilots that are conscientious and cautious that are the problem....no matter what the rules are they will do the right thing. There will always be those that are poor decision makers in a pinch. I wish that an instructor somewhere would have pointed this out to them but now that they have their license they can demonstrate to the world their inadequacies. Casey |
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Kilo Charlie wrote:
Final line is this Marc...you cannot legislate good judgement....period. If you don't believe it then just go drive around in your car for awhile where there have already been put into place many laws in an attempt to do so. It is not the pilots that are conscientious and cautious that are the problem....no matter what the rules are they will do the right thing. There will always be those that are poor decision makers in a pinch. I wish that an instructor somewhere would have pointed this out to them but now that they have their license they can demonstrate to the world their inadequacies. Honestly, it doesn't bother me in the least what sort of finish you use, if I'm not participating. But, if I am participating, I find finish gates incredibly unsafe, even if I personally do my more leisurely 1000+ foot finishes. I still have to dodge fast moving gliders as I get lower, particularly with MATs. But, as soon as someone important (rather than someone like me) gets killed as the direct result of a finish gate, I'm sure the rules committee will be all over it... Marc |
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I am unaware of there ever being a mishap with the gate finish Marc. Your
basic premise is that the gate finish is unsafe. I disagree and feel that it is safer than the alternatives presented to date. Re your "testosterone" idea....yup you're correct.....I do enjoy watching the ground rush by and my crew enjoys it too along with the spectators that show up. We have made an already poor spectator sport into a truly horrible one with some of these changes. I'm not looking to make it a Red Bull death defying race but honestly think that it is the one single time in the race that is nice to watch. Now if it were less safe than the other finishes I would not argue to use it but as I said it is at least as safe. I challenge you to present hard facts to counter that. If I'm wrong about that being liked by the spectators then maybe you can explain why they can't keep enough copies of UK Smokin' in production to satisfy all the orders. Like you said.....you guys that are worried about the safety issues with the current rules can by all means have your own races with each competitor having their own separate start cylinder and the finish being a 2 mile 2000' AGL minimum. Now THAT would be safe....but I won't be participating. Casey Lenox KC Phoenix |
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Kilo Charlie wrote:
I am unaware of there ever being a mishap with the gate finish Marc. Your basic premise is that the gate finish is unsafe. I disagree and feel that it is safer than the alternatives presented to date. We can argue about whether the recent Seniors accident was or was not a gate mishap, I could go either way. But, the notion that cylinder finishes are less safe than gate finishes seems to be unique to you and some of your friends... Marc |
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![]() "Kilo Charlie" wrote in message news:WBNXd.22088$FM3.15711@fed1read02... I am unaware of there ever being a mishap with the gate finish Marc. Your basic premise is that the gate finish is unsafe. I disagree and feel that it is safer than the alternatives presented to date. Re your "testosterone" idea....yup you're correct.....I do enjoy watching the ground rush by and my crew enjoys it too along with the spectators that show up. We have made an already poor spectator sport into a truly horrible one with some of these changes. Casey Lenox KC Phoenix Casey, I'm in complete agreement. I don't fly contests, likely never will, but I sure *used* to enjoy the contest finishes. What a shame they destroyed the best part of contests for the spectators. bumper ZZ Minden |
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Kilo Charlie wrote:
I am unaware of there ever being a mishap with the gate finish Marc. How long have you been in the sport? At least one person has died finishing with the conventional gate (Cal City), and there have been many other accidents and very close calls. -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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I've been flying for 34 years Eric and racing for 12. I see that you are
ranked 232 and I am 121....does that make me better able to judge racing rules?! Let's talk about the facts and not get into a ****ing match about experience. I'd appreciate the details of any and all mishaps that you or others know about that you feel are a result of finish gates. Casey Lenox KC Phoenix |
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Kilo Charlie wrote:
I've been flying for 34 years Eric and racing for 12. I see that you are ranked 232 and I am 121....does that make me better able to judge racing rules?! Let's talk about the facts and not get into a ****ing match about experience. I'm ranked 44, does that mean I win the ****ing match? 8^) I'd appreciate the details of any and all mishaps that you or others know about that you feel are a result of finish gates. Do you think the recent Seniors accident was gate related, and if not, why not? Marc |
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Kilo Charlie wrote:
I've been flying for 34 years Eric and racing for 12. I see that you are ranked 232 and I am 121....does that make me better able to judge racing rules?! Let's talk about the facts and not get into a ****ing match about experience. My experience was not mentioned in the post - I was wondering about yours. I still make no claim about my experience. I was responding to your comment: I am unaware of there ever being a mishap with the gate finish Marc. I first assumed you had been racing for a while, but it then seemed unlikely, since you weren't aware of finish gate problems. I'm surprised you've raced for 12 years without witnessing or at least hearing about accidents and close calls. I'd appreciate the details of any and all mishaps that you or others know about that you feel are a result of finish gates. I've seen several gear up landings, at least once with pilots going head-on at each other because one finished backwards, some slow speed pullups leading to a scary low turn to final a whisker away from cartwheeling, a pilot landing short in a rock-filled field because the "rolling finish" didn't make it to the pavement. There's more that will come to me after a bit, but those are some that I've witnessed. Thankfully, no bad injuries or fatalities. I'm with Marc - I think I'm safer with the new high finish cylinders than the traditional ground-based gate. It was a thrill bombing through it at 50 feet off the ground, but I'm over that now. -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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