Thorp T18 Plans question

Page 163 of Paz's book has all the detail you're looking for. But I'm
not going to tell you, neener, neener, neener!!!


Ryan "Only Too Willing to Spout My Own Opinions, But Not Too Cheap To
BUY Good Information" Young

{Say "I'm a bloomin' snide POM, SIR!" and I'll quote you the diameters
and wall thicknesses}
and have you tried the T-18 group?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thorplist

On 3 Jan 2005 21:09:52 -0800, "flybynightkarmarepair"
wrote:

Page 163 of Paz's book has all the detail you're looking for. But I'm
not going to tell you, neener, neener, neener!!!


Ryan "Only Too Willing to Spout My Own Opinions, But Not Too Cheap To
BUY Good Information" Young

{Say "I'm a bloomin' snide POM, SIR!" and I'll quote you the diameters
and wall thicknesses}
and have you tried the T-18 group?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thorplist

where you go wrong stupid is that I didnt ask for details from
Pazmany's book.
I wanted details from drawing 515 of Thorp's plan set. one of only 3
drawings I dont have sitting in a box beside me just now.

I have no idea whether paz got his details right.
I suspect that you have no idea either.
Stealth Pilot

I have Paz's book sitting in front of me ... and it does not have any
dimensions. Only the tube sizes. It does not contain any details of the
fittings, axels etc.



"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message
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On 3 Jan 2005 21:09:52 -0800, "flybynightkarmarepair"
wrote:

Page 163 of Paz's book has all the detail you're looking for. But I'm
not going to tell you, neener, neener, neener!!!


Ryan "Only Too Willing to Spout My Own Opinions, But Not Too Cheap To
BUY Good Information" Young

{Say "I'm a bloomin' snide POM, SIR!" and I'll quote you the diameters
and wall thicknesses}
and have you tried the T-18 group?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thorplist

where you go wrong stupid is that I didnt ask for details from
Pazmany's book.
I wanted details from drawing 515 of Thorp's plan set. one of only 3
drawings I dont have sitting in a box beside me just now.

I have no idea whether paz got his details right.
I suspect that you have no idea either.
Stealth Pilot

At the risk of acting like a Troll, I'll responde to this: Stealth
Pilot {who can't seem to take a joke, even when it's pretty blatent}
ASKED for the tube thicknesses, among other things, like:

"is the centre component of the gear leg a tube or a rod?"

It is a tube, wall thickness .303, and runs all the way from the top of
the A-frame to the axle attachment in one piece. I'll check the
diameters (which are admittedly about all the sketch has) when I get
back home.

Has anybody else offered this contentious Australian ANY information?

Perhaps he could ask these questions of the current plans distributor -
http://www.homebuilt.org/kits/elkund/elkund2.html

Or any of these people with completed or under construction airplanes:
http://www.t18.net/ambassadors.htm http://www.t18.net/links.htm
http://www.homebuilt.org/directory/eklund.html

Instead, he choses to ask a group known for a very low signal to noise
level, and then complains when he doesn't get EXACTLY what he wants.
Sheesh.

On 4 Jan 2005 15:55:44 -0800, "flybynightkarmarepair"
wrote:

At the risk of acting like a Troll, I'll responde to this: Stealth
Pilot {who can't seem to take a joke, even when it's pretty blatent}
ASKED for the tube thicknesses, among other things, like:

"is the centre component of the gear leg a tube or a rod?"

It is a tube, wall thickness .303, and runs all the way from the top of
the A-frame to the axle attachment in one piece. I'll check the
diameters (which are admittedly about all the sketch has) when I get
back home.

Has anybody else offered this contentious Australian ANY information?

Perhaps he could ask these questions of the current plans distributor -
http://www.homebuilt.org/kits/elkund/elkund2.html

Or any of these people with completed or under construction airplanes:
http://www.t18.net/ambassadors.htm http://www.t18.net/links.htm
http://www.homebuilt.org/directory/eklund.html

Instead, he choses to ask a group known for a very low signal to noise
level, and then complains when he doesn't get EXACTLY what he wants.
Sheesh.

I have subscribed to this newsgroup over 10 years. Havent complained
once.
I just inferrred that your post was stupid.

the purpose was to apply some modern engineering computational method
to prediction of the gear deflections. something which pazmany and
thurston's methods dont seem to get quite right.
the only way that these computations can be made is with actual gear
dimensions. not hearsay, not guesses, not text book sketches.
when I finally managed to borrow a set of drawings after months of
just missing the owner on the airfield. the exact drawing I needed
wasnt there.

I thought I posted a quite reasonable question.
Stealth Pilot

So I'll be reasonable, and avoid the sarcasm, and provide the
dimensions I have - which are not enough for the analysis you plan, but
you can do with them what you will.

The main tube is 1-1/2"OD, .303 wall. The sleeve is 1-1/2" X .120, as
is the cross bar of the this A-Frame. The bolts tieing this into the
longerons are 5/16, and the various fabricated tabs, and wrappers are
..125".

Perhaps you can scale the various lengths off the prints you do have.

You're right about Pazmany at least with regards to deflection. He
spends a lot of time on loads, some on shock absorbers, but little on
deflection. I guess he assumed we'd all taken Strength of Materials,
and Statics.