Greatest Number of Traps

"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message
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"Red Rider" wrote:

SNIP! SNIP!
Is there anyone (other than Vincent P. Norris) that remembers being paid
in
cash every other Friday?

Went the whole gamut, save once-a-month cash pay days, from
1st/15th of the month [or 5th/20th, it varied depending on base]
cash pay days, to the same days but checks, to another mix
between the 1/15 (or 5/20) checks and every other week checks.
Which, when instituted, got a lot of complaints that "they
reduced my pay" from people who couldn't figure out that pay
divided into 24 paydays a year might be somewhat less, in
individual increments, when the same pay is split between 26 pay
days a year. Sigh.

Some of the doggies from my HS days who were drafted when I
enlisted were still paid under the old Army "once a month"
scheme. AFAIK, the Naval Service had gone semi-monthly totally
by that time [1961]. At least that was my experience.
--
OJ III

To the best of my knowledge the Naval Services started switching from every
other Friday, cash Paydays about 1960. The switch went by Naval/MC
districts. It started in the NE (1st Naval/MC District????). They would go
first to checks every other Friday then to Checks twice a month , usually
the 1st/15th. I managed to keep getting transferred ahead of the change,
until they finally caught me in WestPac. As far as I know WestPac was the
last to change over. When we left Japan in late '64 going south they
"ENCOURAGED" everyone to draw the minimum cash needed for the month on the
1st and to take the rest either in a check or deposit to the saving program
that they had for all military in and around Vietnam and Vietnam waters. The
15th payday was check or saving deposit only. Interest accumulated tax free
of course if you were in a combat zone, that is if you got shot at or not,
and also if your unit was moving in and out of a combat zone. At that time I
know that the Marines rotated most of their units (Hawk Missile Batteries)
out of Vietnam for 30-45 days at a time and then returned them. Naval units
ashore such as the Seabees, NSA, Patrol Sq, Beachmasters, Medical, Liaison,
etc.did likewise, although by sections instead of whole units.

Yes Virginia, in those days you didn't get combat pay unless you were shot
at, and when you returned to the ship, you must swear to, (not at) the
AdminO. Hummmm? when did that change? 1 Jan 66? Polaroid's of tracers flying
over the Plane of Jars worked well, until the AdminO got wise. Then we
started flying a serious photo mission
grin for a few days, until new pictures were taken. I just remembered, we
couldn't the "classified" photo's out of Intel to show the AdminO because he
didn't "have a need to know". I wonder if things are still as f***ed up?. At
that time anything that showed any kind of military activity was classified.

Red,

Is there anyone (other than Vincent P. Norris) that remembers being paid in
cash every other Friday?

Still very common into the late 1960s. It's how I got my liberty $$ while on
3rd Class Midshipman cruise (on a CruDesPac tin can) in 1966.

Somewhat related sidebar: When CORAL MARU returned from its 1973 WestPac
cruise, we happened to find ourselves approaching the International Date
Line the evening of payday. Of course after crossing the Line, the "next"
day was still the "same" day on the calendar. Guys were joking that it was
payday again, and when was pay call going to be piped?

---
Mike Kanze

"You're never too old to become younger."

- Mae West


"Red Rider" wrote in message
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"Peter Stickney" wrote in message
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In article ,
Ogden Johnson III writes:

[Does anybody in the US military still get paid with checks [much
less {gasp!!!!!!} cash] nowadays, or has DoD gone mandatory
direct deposit? Saw on a recent cable show on carriers that all
their crew's cash comes out of an ATM.]

Funny that you should bring that up... I've just been working on a
piece of that, actually. It's more than just ATMs - Some ships are
part of NavyCash, which reduces the demand for hard money by
substituting programmable "Smart Cards" for geedunks & stamps & Mess
Dues and such. You can transfer funds from your Ship's Account, using
something like an ATM, and use the card in the Coke Machines & such.
The accounting for the DISBOs is a lot easier, and so are the
logistics. It seems that when they empty the cash boxes in the Coke
Machines every month, they're hauling about 1,000# of quarters around
the ship. (For a CV or LPH-sized ship). So, anyway, the effort is
there to eliminate hard cash on ships. (The cards can also be used as
Debit Cards ashore).

--
Pete Stickney

Without data, all you have are opinions

Is there anyone (other than Vincent P. Norris) that remembers being paid
in
cash every other Friday?

As far as the greatest number of traps, I wonder who had the most combat
traps? For the life of me (getting old I guess) I can't remember the name
of
the A-4 jock from Vietnam era who had something like 750 "green ink"
entries
in his log book. Heck I think he retired as an admiral too.

Red Rider

Red,

I wonder who had the most combat traps?

Would these include being yelled at by the Boss or enduring squirrelly calls
by LSOs? g

--
Mike Kanze

"You're never too old to become younger."

- Mae West


"Red Rider" wrote in message
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"Peter Stickney" wrote in message
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In article ,
Ogden Johnson III writes:

[Does anybody in the US military still get paid with checks [much
less {gasp!!!!!!} cash] nowadays, or has DoD gone mandatory
direct deposit? Saw on a recent cable show on carriers that all
their crew's cash comes out of an ATM.]

Funny that you should bring that up... I've just been working on a
piece of that, actually. It's more than just ATMs - Some ships are
part of NavyCash, which reduces the demand for hard money by
substituting programmable "Smart Cards" for geedunks & stamps & Mess
Dues and such. You can transfer funds from your Ship's Account, using
something like an ATM, and use the card in the Coke Machines & such.
The accounting for the DISBOs is a lot easier, and so are the
logistics. It seems that when they empty the cash boxes in the Coke
Machines every month, they're hauling about 1,000# of quarters around
the ship. (For a CV or LPH-sized ship). So, anyway, the effort is
there to eliminate hard cash on ships. (The cards can also be used as
Debit Cards ashore).

--
Pete Stickney

Without data, all you have are opinions

Is there anyone (other than Vincent P. Norris) that remembers being paid
in
cash every other Friday?

As far as the greatest number of traps, I wonder who had the most combat
traps? For the life of me (getting old I guess) I can't remember the name
of
the A-4 jock from Vietnam era who had something like 750 "green ink"
entries
in his log book. Heck I think he retired as an admiral too.

Red Rider

"Red Rider" wrote...

Is there anyone (other than Vincent P. Norris) that remembers being paid
in
cash every other Friday?

Yes...

"Red Rider" wrote:


"Peter Stickney" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ogden Johnson III writes:

[Does anybody in the US military still get paid with checks [much
less {gasp!!!!!!} cash] nowadays, or has DoD gone mandatory
direct deposit? Saw on a recent cable show on carriers that all
their crew's cash comes out of an ATM.]

Funny that you should bring that up... I've just been working on a
piece of that, actually. It's more than just ATMs - Some ships are
part of NavyCash, which reduces the demand for hard money by
substituting programmable "Smart Cards" for geedunks & stamps & Mess
Dues and such. You can transfer funds from your Ship's Account, using
something like an ATM, and use the card in the Coke Machines & such.
The accounting for the DISBOs is a lot easier, and so are the
logistics. It seems that when they empty the cash boxes in the Coke
Machines every month, they're hauling about 1,000# of quarters around
the ship. (For a CV or LPH-sized ship). So, anyway, the effort is
there to eliminate hard cash on ships. (The cards can also be used as
Debit Cards ashore).

--
Pete Stickney

Without data, all you have are opinions

Is there anyone (other than Vincent P. Norris) that remembers being paid in
cash every other Friday?

As far as the greatest number of traps, I wonder who had the most combat
traps? For the life of me (getting old I guess) I can't remember the name of
the A-4 jock from Vietnam era who had something like 750 "green ink" entries
in his log book. Heck I think he retired as an admiral too.

Red Rider

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry.

We'd march smartly the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Gord Beaman wrote:

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry.

We'd march smartly the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Can't forget a Navy variation of this. Sitting at the table in the
middle were the corpsmen. After getting the flu shot you got your pay!

"Jim" wrote in message
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Gord Beaman wrote:

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry. We'd march smartly
the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Can't forget a Navy variation of this. Sitting at the table in the middle
were the corpsmen. After getting the flu shot you got your pay!

And just around the corner in the passageway, the loan sharks and gamblers
collecting from their victims.

Bob McKellar, actual former disbursing officer from the days of cash

"Jim" wrote in message
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Gord Beaman wrote:

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry.

We'd march smartly the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Can't forget a Navy variation of this. Sitting at the table in the
middle were the corpsmen. After getting the flu shot you got your pay!


You forgot about the guy selling Navy Relief Tickets, or the one collecting
for United Way or something else.

For something different. In late 65 I won an award of a ground tour (6mo's
training and 12 mo's in Vietnam) with the Marines in ANGLCO
(AirNavalGunfireLiaisonCompany). While training at Camp Lejeune NC, I
noticed something unique about their way of conducting a pay day. Of course
they had the standard pay officer, also the corpsman checking shot records,
pay guard, etc. but the 1st Sgt. was seated next to the pay officer.
Everytime a man that had a fine from NJP (Marines call it Office Hours) the
1st Sgt would announce the amount of the fine in a loud voice. The pay
officer would loudly count out the money to the Marine. Then the Marine had
to pay the fine to the 1st Sgt, who would then announce again in a loud
voice that he had received a payment of $XXX from "so-in-so". And that this
was whatever payment of whatever total fine that "so-in-so" had received for
his crime which was __________! But it wasn't over. The 1st Sgt would then
turn to the pay officer and announce that he had collected the fine for etc.
from "so-in-so" for doing "whatever" and would then announce that this was
payment X of X payments etc. Then the pay officer would tell the 1st Sgt
that on behalf of the Marine Corps, the Dept of the Navy, the Sec of
Defense, the President, and the people of the United States of America etc.
that he accepted payment X of X payments for the crime of X committed by
'so-in-so.

Everyone enjoyed the show, except the individual paying the fine.

Red