Girl Scouts and aviation??

"Montblack" wrote in message
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Over the years I've seen a few Cub Scout / aviation posts on these
newsgroups. I do not recall seeing similar Girl Scout / aviation posts.

Girl Scouts aren't allowed to fly in private aircraft at all. Boy Scouts
have such severe restrictions ($1 million smooth liability, for example)
that they may as well be prohibited as well. Most youth organizations have
become so risk averse that you wonder how they function at all. The Boy
Scouts theoretically have the Aviation Explorers (for both boys and girls),
but try to actually organize a post....

Well, okay. The effect of many of these rules is that some leaders go ahead
and organize the prohibited activity anyway. They won't be covered by the
Scouts' insurance and assume all liability on their own. You could require
parents to sign a release acknowledging that the activity is prohibited by
the Scouting organization.

It isn't just aviation, you know. Restrictions on campfires, sharp objects,
camping, swimming, boating, travel by car, and everything else have pretty
much confined a lot of Scouting units to meeting in churches and either
playing basketball or discussing careers.

C J Campbell wrote:

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It isn't just aviation, you know. Restrictions on campfires, sharp objects,
camping, swimming, boating, travel by car, and everything else have pretty
much confined a lot of Scouting units to meeting in churches and either
playing basketball or discussing careers.



Just not piloting careers.

"C J Campbell" wrote

The Boy
Scouts theoretically have the Aviation Explorers (for both boys and
girls),
but try to actually organize a post....

I am involved in an Aviation Explorer post. It works quite well. It also
works for the other 100 or so Aviation Explorers from all over the country,
that have their own camping base at Air Venture, and work lots of hours at
anything from crowd control, to parking airplanes in the homebuilt showplane
area, to directing taxiway intersections on 18-36. They all actually
managed to belong to an organized post.

Young Eagle rides are permitted. A simple form is all that is needed.
Also, besides going to Oshkosh and working, they work at our local warbirds
airshow, which is fairly big. We also go to at least two major airshows per
year, have ATC tours, museum tours, ski trips. Follow the rules, and it is
not tough, at all.

Form a post. There are good kids anywhere, needing leadership, to get into
aviation.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message ...


Young Eagle rides are permitted. A simple form is all that is needed.
Also, besides going to Oshkosh and working, they work at our local warbirds
airshow, which is fairly big. We also go to at least two major airshows per
year, have ATC tours, museum tours, ski trips. Follow the rules, and it is
not tough, at all.

Form a post. There are good kids anywhere, needing leadership, to get into
aviation.
--
Jim in NC



Any truth to the statement that they cannot fly in 'experimental' aircraft?

"Blueskies" wrote

Any truth to the statement that they cannot fly in 'experimental'
aircraft?

Absolutely correct.
--
Jim in NC

Nothing severe in the BSA insurance restrictions. EAA provies the $1m
smooth insurance for you for $35/year. I do it all the time, no problem
with BSA. You just need to fill out both a BSA tour permit and a flight
permit and have it signed by council. YOu also need to provide
information such as medical,etc

-Robert
BSA registered leader and CFI

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Nothing severe in the BSA insurance restrictions. EAA provies the $1m
smooth insurance for you for $35/year. I do it all the time, no problem
with BSA. You just need to fill out both a BSA tour permit and a flight
permit and have it signed by council. YOu also need to provide
information such as medical,etc

So EAA has the required insurance? I had not been able to find it anywhere
else.

C J Campbell wrote:

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com...

Nothing severe in the BSA insurance restrictions. EAA provies the $1m
smooth insurance for you for $35/year. I do it all the time, no problem
with BSA. You just need to fill out both a BSA tour permit and a flight
permit and have it signed by council. YOu also need to provide
information such as medical,etc


So EAA has the required insurance? I had not been able to find it anywhere
else.

The insurance is provided as part of your yearly membership fee and is
in effect for young eagles flights only. You must belong to EAA to give
young eagles flights.

It's the Young Eagles insurance and it's included in your membership.
They will provide you proof of insurance for BSA. So the insurance
works like this...
1) You carry $1m total with $100,000 per seat (I doubt any aircraft
owner carries less, I don't think you can even buy less)
2) EAA makes that $1m smooth (no seat limit)
3) BSA takes that and adds their $10m smooth (standard for all BSA
"tours" this is why you need the tour permit from BSA before you fly).
If you don't get the tour permit, the BSA leaders who bring the kids
can become personally liable. I always carry my BSA permits anytime I
take the boys outside our general area (10 mile rule).

So you have a $10m smooth policy in the end.

-Robert, CFI & BSA Leader

BTW: Here are the BSA forms...
Flight Permit itself http://www.scouting.org/pubs/gss/forms/23-672.pdf
"Tour Permit" (includes protection for the car ride out, this is VERY
important to BSA) http://www.scouting.org/forms/34426.pdf
The second permit will probably be done by the BSA leader. We all keep
all the car insurance information ,etc ready so its pretty quick to
just put it down on the form (we don't collect that information each
time).

Both permit applications need to be presented to your local council.
Council will sign it and stamp it.

I can tell you of several stores (both BSA and Girl Scouts) where
leaders were sued by parents after kids broke arms, etc on a trip. In
each case the permits were presented to the BSA attorney and they took
it from there.
Remember, these are kids. Many can be impulsive and awkward. The odds
of a kid falling down and getting hurt while walking out to the plane
is actually quite high.
Of course, as you get into the older boys (Adventure Scouts, etc) you
are then dealing with near-adults who are old enough to actually take
lessons.



-Robert