Girl Scouts and aviation??

I have 2 ADHD kids and 1 Downs Syndrome. Funny but most of the time they are
the better ones, it's the 14 or 15 year old who thinks he knows it all......

Have been a SM since 1994, 2 Nat Jambo's, 1 Philmont, all over CA, they
still surprise me.......


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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BTW: Here are the BSA forms...
Flight Permit itself http://www.scouting.org/pubs/gss/forms/23-672.pdf
"Tour Permit" (includes protection for the car ride out, this is VERY
important to BSA) http://www.scouting.org/forms/34426.pdf
The second permit will probably be done by the BSA leader. We all keep
all the car insurance information ,etc ready so its pretty quick to
just put it down on the form (we don't collect that information each
time).

Both permit applications need to be presented to your local council.
Council will sign it and stamp it.

I can tell you of several stores (both BSA and Girl Scouts) where
leaders were sued by parents after kids broke arms, etc on a trip. In
each case the permits were presented to the BSA attorney and they took
it from there.
Remember, these are kids. Many can be impulsive and awkward. The odds
of a kid falling down and getting hurt while walking out to the plane
is actually quite high.
Of course, as you get into the older boys (Adventure Scouts, etc) you
are then dealing with near-adults who are old enough to actually take
lessons.



-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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It's the Young Eagles insurance and it's included in your membership.
They will provide you proof of insurance for BSA. So the insurance
works like this...
1) You carry $1m total with $100,000 per seat (I doubt any aircraft
owner carries less, I don't think you can even buy less)
2) EAA makes that $1m smooth (no seat limit)
3) BSA takes that and adds their $10m smooth (standard for all BSA
"tours" this is why you need the tour permit from BSA before you fly).
If you don't get the tour permit, the BSA leaders who bring the kids
can become personally liable. I always carry my BSA permits anytime I
take the boys outside our general area (10 mile rule).

So you have a $10m smooth policy in the end.

-Robert, CFI & BSA Leader

The BSA insurance is to cover the BSA and probably won't do diddly for the
pilot.

Its to cover the BSA leaders (we're all volunteers). I don't believe
anyone claimed the policy was for the pilot. However, both BSA and EAA
require the parents to sign releases, whatever that is worth.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Nothing severe in the BSA insurance restrictions. EAA provies the $1m
smooth insurance for you for $35/year. I do it all the time, no problem
with BSA. You just need to fill out both a BSA tour permit and a flight
permit and have it signed by council. YOu also need to provide
information such as medical,etc

-Robert
BSA registered leader and CFI



But the hassel got so bad. The local council required copies of each
pilots, 1) license, 2, logbook, 3, medical, insurance, etc, etc. And all
of this had to be turned in several weeks in advanced. We really didn't
know who the pilots were going to be. Just too much trouble for a FREE ride.

--
Regards,

Ross

"Ross Richardson" wrote in message ...
Robert M. Gary wrote:

Nothing severe in the BSA insurance restrictions. EAA provies the $1m
smooth insurance for you for $35/year. I do it all the time, no problem
with BSA. You just need to fill out both a BSA tour permit and a flight
permit and have it signed by council. YOu also need to provide
information such as medical,etc

-Robert
BSA registered leader and CFI


But the hassel got so bad. The local council required copies of each pilots, 1) license, 2, logbook, 3, medical,
insurance, etc, etc. And all of this had to be turned in several weeks in advanced. We really didn't know who the
pilots were going to be. Just too much trouble for a FREE ride.

--
Regards,

Ross


And it has to be a production FAA certified airplane...

When I tried to get involved with Aviation Exploring (I was the
Aviation Explorer Coordinator for the county BSA Council). I wanted
to line up aviation-related activities (Tower, Center visits and
tours of aviation museums) via short trips in GA aircraft .. no dice.

BSA HQ, at that time, steadfastly felt that these Piper Cubs were
downright dangerous and put so many restrictions that they, in
essence, prohibited flights as part of any Aviation Exploring
program.

Glad to see that things may have changed ... maybe enough of the
folks here abandoning BSA over this issue may have helped change
BSA's mind.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
oups.com:

Nothing severe in the BSA insurance restrictions. EAA provies the
$1m smooth insurance for you for $35/year. I do it all the time,
no problem with BSA. You just need to fill out both a BSA tour
permit and a flight permit and have it signed by council. YOu also
need to provide information such as medical,etc

--

John,
Are you still in the Bay Area or did you move out? I know you talked
about moving several years ago.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
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Are you still in the Bay Area or did you move out? I know you talked
about moving several years ago.

Still here .. have you been doing any Angel Flights lately? I'm
currently trying to get to Las Vegas to pick up our plane and fly it
back to RHV. Weather's been a tad iffy here lately.

Been taking a few trips to scout out places to move to .. nothing so
far.

--

I haven't done much with Angel Flight. I stopped being an AF CFI after
they told me I needed to sign people off but couldn't fly with them. I
was concerned that I was being exposed to liability since my CFI
insurance doesn't cover giving endorsements w/o flying with the
student.

I've actually been so busy working on my MBA, working, Scout leader,
CFIing, etc I haven't been able to fly any AF missions. I'd like to get
back into it, when I get time though!!

-Robert

If a youth is really interested in Aviation I suggest the check out the
local CAP group.

As a Scout Master I have had my Troop to airshows, EAA events, several
Museums, Vandenberg, Travis, Castle, Beale, and Edwards. Just when it comes
to flying I have a note from the parents that they can, but just not in
uniform.


"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Montblack" wrote in message
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Over the years I've seen a few Cub Scout / aviation posts on these
newsgroups. I do not recall seeing similar Girl Scout / aviation posts.

Girl Scouts aren't allowed to fly in private aircraft at all. Boy Scouts
have such severe restrictions ($1 million smooth liability, for example)
that they may as well be prohibited as well. Most youth organizations have
become so risk averse that you wonder how they function at all. The Boy
Scouts theoretically have the Aviation Explorers (for both boys and
girls),
but try to actually organize a post....

Well, okay. The effect of many of these rules is that some leaders go
ahead
and organize the prohibited activity anyway. They won't be covered by the
Scouts' insurance and assume all liability on their own. You could require
parents to sign a release acknowledging that the activity is prohibited by
the Scouting organization.

It isn't just aviation, you know. Restrictions on campfires, sharp
objects,
camping, swimming, boating, travel by car, and everything else have pretty
much confined a lot of Scouting units to meeting in churches and either
playing basketball or discussing careers.