noise pollution from private planes

"Scott" wrote in message
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Because he's a troll. Yes, complaining about the airport would be good.
They would just shut down another general aviation airport. Remember,
if the airport goes away, so does another landing spot for gliders. I
fly both powered and gliders. I'll bet the airport was there when
numbnuts bought his house (and he probably doesn't even live near an
airport) and he didn't have brain one to be able to think that maybe
someday, someone would actually fly a powered plane out of that airport.

Scott Littfin


That logic may win a battle but it will eventually lose the war to keep
small airports open. Once Chicago closed Miegs Field and got away with it,
the precedent is set for other airport closure battles.

The only long term solution is that airplanes have to get much quieter -
fortunately, there are engineering ways to do that. Retrofitting older
aircraft is possible but big gains have to be designed in.

Meanwhile, as our European friends have pointed out, winches rarely annoy
airport neighbors. Modern winches can now provide as much release height as
99% of air tows.

The reality is that fuel costs will drive us to winches which will have many
former general aviation airfields to operate from since the Cezzna drivers
won't be able to afford fuel prices.

Bill Daniels

Bill Daniels

"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
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"Scott" wrote in message
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Because he's a troll. Yes, complaining about the airport would be good.
They would just shut down another general aviation airport. Remember,
if the airport goes away, so does another landing spot for gliders. I
fly both powered and gliders. I'll bet the airport was there when
numbnuts bought his house (and he probably doesn't even live near an
airport) and he didn't have brain one to be able to think that maybe
someday, someone would actually fly a powered plane out of that airport.

Scott Littfin


That logic may win a battle but it will eventually lose the war to keep
small airports open. Once Chicago closed Miegs Field and got away with
it,
the precedent is set for other airport closure battles.

The only long term solution is that airplanes have to get much quieter -
fortunately, there are engineering ways to do that. Retrofitting older
aircraft is possible but big gains have to be designed in.

Meanwhile, as our European friends have pointed out, winches rarely annoy
airport neighbors. Modern winches can now provide as much release height
as
99% of air tows.

The reality is that fuel costs will drive us to winches which will have
many
former general aviation airfields to operate from since the Cezzna drivers
won't be able to afford fuel prices.

Bill Daniels

A recent survey apparently indicates the $3/gal is the break point for large
SUV owners.

Adjusted for 1980 dollars, oil would be $90/barrel for gas prices to match
those historic levels.

$5/gal 100LL certainly won't inspire growth in the number of soaring pilots,
but the $25/2000ft tow becomes the $32.50/2000ft tow, not quite a show
stopper in the near term. Still, it makes the $5-$10/winch launch a
potential winner.

Frank Whiteley

A recent survey apparently indicates the $3/gal is the break point for large
SUV owners.



Now what kind of survey was that?????
All you have to do is look at Europe to see that those figures are
nonsense. Fuel prices in some countries are approaching double that
price but people are still buying SUV's like crazy.

"Marcel Duenner" wrote in message
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A recent survey apparently indicates the $3/gal is the break point for
large
SUV owners.



Now what kind of survey was that?????
All you have to do is look at Europe to see that those figures are
nonsense. Fuel prices in some countries are approaching double that
price but people are still buying SUV's like crazy.

Large SUVs and large distances here. There are many people driving large
SUVs in the US who can ill afford to. Watching the car lots, some of these
lose about 1/3 of their value in 1-2 years and 2/3rds in five. See a lot of
Excursions, Expeditions, Navigators, Escalades, and Hummers in Europe these
days? There are many compact SUVs that are quite economical to drive and
are not the suburban soccer-mom assault vehicles. I think we may be
discussing two different types of SUV. I just visited a couple of Euro
automotive sites and find no similar offerings. Even what's called a van is
a small cousin to what is produced in the US. Seems the RAV-4 type is
popular according to a marketing survey source. It also appears moves are
afoot to close tax loopholes on SUVs in Germany. The mileage loophole that
made them cheaper to produce is being closed in the US.

Frank