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Old April 8th 05, 03:13 PM
Jose
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GPS is easy to learn after full training on the standard instruments.

Hmmm... as a pilot you are obligated to learn every piece of equipment in
your aircraft. The GPS is a piece of equipment that could really save
your skin and the aircraft if the single engine quits.

Instead of your current attitude, you really should consider incorporating
all of your equipment into your training.


The reason not to, is that one needs to learn VOR/DME/ADF navigation and
attitude flying, and there may be a tendency to rely on the GPS, to the
detriment of the more basic =training=. One would therefore have less
than ideal basic skills.

You are right, GPS is a wonderful tool, and should =also= be learned and
integrated. However, the hard part of GPS isn't the GPS or the map or
the needle... it is the interface, and they are =far= from standard.
Teach someone VOR and they are good to go in most any plane. Teach
someone GPS and they will still need a type rating(*) for each and every
other GPS system on the planet.

Jose

(*) note to Steve - this is not to be taken literally - this is merely
a figure of speech. I know what a real type rating is.
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Old April 8th 05, 05:38 PM
Peter R.
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Jose wrote:

The reason not to, is that one needs to learn VOR/DME/ADF navigation and
attitude flying, and there may be a tendency to rely on the GPS, to the
detriment of the more basic =training=. One would therefore have less
than ideal basic skills.


IMO and E, the basic skills of attitude flying rely on scanning the primary
six-pack, whereas tracking a VOR, localizer, or GPS would be considered the
secondary skills. I do not see how utilizing the GPS for navigation
would negatively affect ones attitude flying skills.

But, then again I am not an instructor, nor a multi-decade experienced
pilot, so perhaps I am typing out of my derriere.

You are right, GPS is a wonderful tool, and should =also= be learned and
integrated. However, the hard part of GPS isn't the GPS or the map or
the needle... it is the interface, and they are =far= from standard.
Teach someone VOR and they are good to go in most any plane. Teach
someone GPS and they will still need a type rating(*) for each and every
other GPS system on the planet.


You do have a good point there. In thinking about my comments, I now see
that they stem from the fact that I own and fly the same aircraft. I had
overlooked the interface differences between the different IFR-certified
GPS's.

By the way, I do not advocate letting one's VOR skills atrophy in favor of
the GPS. I have had three GPS failures in my three years of active
instrument flying experience, two on approach (one GPS-software related and
one RAIM failure) and one en route (database expired at 00z while flying,
which required a reboot of the GPS and five minutes to re-acquire).

The latter failure caught me with my pants down as the VORs were not set as
a backup.


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Old April 8th 05, 11:12 PM
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I do not see how utilizing the GPS for navigation
would negatively affect ones attitude flying skills.


It probably wouldn't. But I didn't say it would - I said it would
negatively affect learning =basic= skills, such as VOR navigation, whose
user interface is drop-dead simple.

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