c-170 op/ed?

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:13:40 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote:

("Don Tuite" wrote)
'61 172 in California: $30K

http://www.satoriassociates.com/cessna.htm

Thank you for including the price - makes all the difference. Really.
Thanks.


Wonder if three people in the flying club could have gotten a (no broker)
"insiders discount" ($3,000) + the normal horse trading deductions ($3,000)?

Now they'd be looking at $24K. Let's say $27K if the Club plays hardball
g.

That's still $10K each, for a decent basic plane ...with a $3k (or $6K)
starting balance in your new partnership. Haven't checked out the ad, I'm
thinking it's a many mods, low-time gem :-)

Do people do this - buy their flying club's planes? Going from big clubs, to
smaller partnerships.

Probably not in this case. The 11 of us voted ourselves a hefty
assessment so that after the Cessna sells we can buy a 74 Tiger or
Challenger* (Tiger preferred). The club's other plane is a '67
Cherokee 235, and it flys 200 hours/year to the Cessna's 100, even
though the hourly rates are around $100 and $66 (Wet/Tach). The
notion is that speed will even out the disparity in annual hours
flown, But that's our demographics. The club's youngest members are
in their 40s, and the older members are retired. Three newly-minted
pilots interested in building time fairly cheaply would be a good
scenario for the Cessna.

(If you're curious about club finances, Monthly dues are $150. We
have a hangar and a tiedown. Engine reserves are fully funded.
Memberships do not come up often, but have been going in the $6K-7K
range. With the Tiger or Challenger, that would probably go up a
couple of grand, but in any event, how much a membership sells for
depends on how much somebody is willing to pay for it.)

Don
*Cherokee 180 in the year between the 180D and the Arrow.

Don Tuite wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:13:40 -0500, "Montblack"
wrote:


("Don Tuite" wrote)

'61 172 in California: $30K

http://www.satoriassociates.com/cessna.htm

Thank you for including the price - makes all the difference. Really.
Thanks.


Wonder if three people in the flying club could have gotten a (no broker)
"insiders discount" ($3,000) + the normal horse trading deductions ($3,000)?

Now they'd be looking at $24K. Let's say $27K if the Club plays hardball
g.

That's still $10K each, for a decent basic plane ...with a $3k (or $6K)
starting balance in your new partnership. Haven't checked out the ad, I'm
thinking it's a many mods, low-time gem :-)

Do people do this - buy their flying club's planes? Going from big clubs, to
smaller partnerships.


Probably not in this case. The 11 of us voted ourselves a hefty
assessment so that after the Cessna sells we can buy a 74 Tiger or
Challenger* (Tiger preferred).

Just curious and unrelated to this thread, but do votes for big
assessments have to be unanimous, or a supermajority? Espeically given
that your members seem to have a lot of equity in the club so they can't
just quit if they don't want to pay, I'm curious how you handle that.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:22:30 -0400, xyzzy wrote:


Just curious and unrelated to this thread, but do votes for big
assessments have to be unanimous, or a supermajority? Espeically given
that your members seem to have a lot of equity in the club so they can't
just quit if they don't want to pay, I'm curious how you handle that.

Simple majority, with proxies for members who can't make a meeting,
but the motion gets a lot of discussion before the meeting and people
are sensitive to others' feelings.

So far, so good. The club was founded in 1946. Until a year of so
ago, we actually had one member who was the son of a founder.
(Although he'd bought in on his own a number of years after his dad
passed on -- or sold up,I don't know which.) The son left for the
usual reason: moved out of the area.

Don

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:54:46 GMT, Don Tuite
wrote:


Probably not in this case. The 11 of us voted ourselves a hefty
assessment so that after the Cessna sells we can buy a 74 Tiger or
Challenger* (Tiger preferred). The club's other plane is a '67
Cherokee 235, and it flys 200 hours/year to the Cessna's 100, even
snip
Don
*Cherokee 180 in the year between the 180D and the Arrow.

Actually the Challenger is only the 1973 model year.

I fly a '71 Cherokee 180F, and it still has the short fuselage as the
60s models. The '72 180G is the same.

The big deltas in the Cherokee line are as follows:

1963? :Introduction of Cherokee 180
1968: Cherokee 180: Added 3rd side windows and standard T+2 panel
layout
1973: Challenger: ~5" Fuselage extension between front/rear seats
1974: Archer I: ?
1976: Archer II: New longer tapered wing
Late 90's: Archer III: New cowling and redesigned instrument panel


-Nathan