Being asked to "verify direct XXX"

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
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Ok. I was going from Milwaukee to Indianapolis: KMWC to KEYE (I think -
Indy Exec).


EYE is Eagle Creek Airpark, Indianapolis Executive Airport is TYQ.



I filed VORs starting with LJT to DPA (DuPage). DuPage is on
the western edge of the ORD bravo. I figured this was enough
out-of-the-way of the bravo to satisfy KORD approach. I was wrong, and
have since learned that the route I was given is pretty much a preferred
route going IFR south through that airspace.


As a rule, Chicago approach doesn't do thruflights. You have to go around
them. Most singles prefer not to go around the east side due to the lake,
so if your destination is to the east you're in for a lengthy detour.

It's not enough to avoid the Class B airspace, you have to remain outside
the airspace delegated to Chicago approach and it is considerably larger
than the Class B and it is uncharted. A standard bypass routing is
RFD.V128.IKK. Were the intersections you were given on that airway?



That route involved vectors then several intersections, as I'd said. The
problem was compounded by the fact that I'm nearly certain that the tower
controller mispoke and told me that the first waypoint was D32 on the R270
from BAE. 32 miles west of BAE?! Are you kidding me?! Turns out it's
the R207, I discovered later, which obviously made much more sense. (I'm
nearly certain that she mispoke, and I didn't mis-hear, as 207 was far
closer to what I was expecting and where I was looking on the chart
initially.)


That would be JAYBE.



Other times I've been told to go direct involve uncontrolled fields with
no navaid, after I've already been vectored off-course. An example would
be going to Morey, C29, which is about 20 miles west-southwest of Madison,
KMSN. I file direct to the MSN VOR, which is on the field, but am
sometimes vectored around the airport (MSN is Class C and busy on
weekends), then instructed to go direct C29. No problem with the VFR GPS,
and obviously impossible without it. Of course, that doesn't bother me as
I'm usually fairly confident that Morey hasn't moved. :-) I've noticed
this also happens when I haven't even put "VFR GPS" in the remarks.


Had you put "VFR GPS" in the remarks for your trip to Indianapolis?

Morey is about 8 miles WSW of MSN, by the way.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
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Ok. I was going from Milwaukee to Indianapolis: KMWC to KEYE (I think -
Indy Exec).



EYE is Eagle Creek Airpark, Indianapolis Executive Airport is TYQ.

Ah yes.. had originally considered TYQ then switch to Eagle Creek. This
was 5-6 weeks ago now.

That would be JAYBE.

Yup. That was the first one.

Had you put "VFR GPS" in the remarks for your trip to Indianapolis?

Yes, I did. Are you going to tell me I got what I asked for? I
understand that, now. But, I maintain that, well, treating that remark
just like "/G" by ATC is perhaps not the most logical way to treat it.
Now that I know how the system works for real, though, great!!

Morey is about 8 miles WSW of MSN, by the way.

Ah, Ok. I was off by a bit there. I'm usually SE of MSN when given the
direct clearance so it is somehwat longer than that (but not 20 I guess).

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
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Had you put "VFR GPS" in the remarks for your trip to Indianapolis?

Yes, I did. Are you going to tell me I got what I asked for? I
understand that, now. But, I maintain that, well, treating that remark
just like "/G" by ATC is perhaps not the most logical way to treat it.

What other logical way is there for ATC to treat it? What did you expect
ATC to conclude from that remark?

Paul Folbrecht wrote:
Yes, I did. Are you going to tell me I got what I asked for? I
understand that, now. But, I maintain that, well, treating that remark
just like "/G" by ATC is perhaps not the most logical way to treat it.

A man walks into a bar and says, "I'd like a glass of fruit juice, please".
The bartender smiles and starts to pour him a glass of juice.

Then the man says, "My wife doesn't like it when I drink whisky, but whisky
is what I really like, and, hey look, I even brought my own shotglass with
me (but my wife doesn't know, wink-wink, nudge-nudge)". The bartender
smiles, puts the juice away, and pours the man a shot of whisky.

Then the man says, "Why did you give me that whisky!? That's not what I
asked for".

The bartender smiles, and says, "Say intentions". The man says, "I'm going
to go drink in that bar on the other side of the street where they don't
have so many confusing rules I have to follow."

The bartender smiles and pours the shot of whisky on the man's shoes, at
which point the man becomes enlightened.

Didn't the man at some point make a post on an Internet forum whining
about the bartender's inability to read his mind??

Roy Smith wrote:

Paul Folbrecht wrote:

Yes, I did. Are you going to tell me I got what I asked for? I
understand that, now. But, I maintain that, well, treating that remark
just like "/G" by ATC is perhaps not the most logical way to treat it.


A man walks into a bar and says, "I'd like a glass of fruit juice, please".
The bartender smiles and starts to pour him a glass of juice.

Then the man says, "My wife doesn't like it when I drink whisky, but whisky
is what I really like, and, hey look, I even brought my own shotglass with
me (but my wife doesn't know, wink-wink, nudge-nudge)". The bartender
smiles, puts the juice away, and pours the man a shot of whisky.

Then the man says, "Why did you give me that whisky!? That's not what I
asked for".

The bartender smiles, and says, "Say intentions". The man says, "I'm going
to go drink in that bar on the other side of the street where they don't
have so many confusing rules I have to follow."

The bartender smiles and pours the shot of whisky on the man's shoes, at
which point the man becomes enlightened.