Airbus A 380 is rolling

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:

"Dan Luke" wrote in news:1164trbo65unn67
@news.supernews.com:


"Martin Hotze" wrote:

Since I believe this is war

hu?

It's a war between the two giant, state-supported airliner mfrs.


But why do us outsiders have to take sides?

We don't have to, but it is human nature to be competitive. And this is
actually good in most cases as long as it isn't taken to extremes.


The
winner will dominate the business and the loser's country will suffer
economically.


Not necessarily. Why can't we have a "live and let live" attitude? If
an interesting and valuable project gets started which can make life
better or is just an achievement in its on right, I'm happy, no matter
who it is or what country it's from. As long as it's not about guns or
other things which are to destroy rather than enjoy.

I enjoy my guns tremendously.


Actually, the 380 would likely be a boon to the economy around here
(Mobile, Alabama) because Brookley Field would probably get a lot of
maintenance and component manufacturing business.


See?


Overall, though, if
the 380 is a big success it will hurt Boeing and the U. S.


If that is what your media are telling you, don't believe them. They
are paid by the industry . Perhaps the competition can enthuse Boeing
to create a new, even more spectacular jet, and the games goes into
another round.

It already has. The dreamliner looks pretty cool to me. And the way
fuel costs are going, the smaller more efficient machine may just be the
way of the future.


Personally I have an affection for Boeing because they were the jets
that Pan Am flew into West Berlin where I lived, and thus were my first
aviation experience. And we have an affection for here Pan Am too.
Here's a memorial site http://www.pan-american.de/ "We miss You,
Clipper": http://www.pan-american.de/We%20Miss%20you.html

Likewise. It is unfortunate that Boeing has suffered under some pretty
poor management for the last decade or two. If they'd have spent as
much time on airplane design and marketing as they did trying to get the
government to bail them out against Airbus, I think they'd be much more
competitive now.


Matt

Which is exactly what killed McDonald/Douglas.

Matt Whiting wrote:
Likewise. It is unfortunate that Boeing has suffered under some pretty
poor management for the last decade or two. If they'd have spent as
much time on airplane design and marketing as they did trying to get the
government to bail them out against Airbus, I think they'd be much more
competitive now.

john smith wrote:
Which is exactly what killed McDonald/Douglas.

M/D didn't die. It bought Boeing with Boeing's money and kept the
Boeing name.

"john smith" wrote in message ...
Which is exactly what killed McDonald/Douglas.

Matt Whiting wrote:
Likewise. It is unfortunate that Boeing has suffered under some pretty poor management for the last decade or two.
If they'd have spent as much time on airplane design and marketing as they did trying to get the government to bail
them out against Airbus, I think they'd be much more competitive now.

The MD 11 killed MD...

In a previous article, "Blueskies" said:
The MD 11 killed MD...

You sure it wasn't the way that the badly designed cargo door latch on the
DC-10 caused the largest aircrash in history until Tenerife?

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Today is a good day. Not because anything wonderful is happening, so
much, but because my definition of a 'bad day' has been revised.
-- Chris Klein

In article ,
says...

In a previous article, "Blueskies" said:
The MD 11 killed MD...

You sure it wasn't the way that the badly designed cargo door latch on the
DC-10 caused the largest aircrash in history until Tenerife?



May have been both - however the MD11 made specific promises for utility
(load and range) which it was unbable to deliver. This led to cancelled orders
and public derision (American made some public statement about returning to
Boeing "who at least know how to make an airplane"). Thus the investment in
the MD11 had no hope of being recovered.

G Faris

"Matt Whiting" wrote

The dreamliner looks pretty cool to me. And the way
fuel costs are going, the smaller more efficient machine may just be the
way of the future.

Assuming all the seats are full, (which they usually are full, or almost
full) on the long haul routes, the larger the more efficient.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote

The dreamliner looks pretty cool to me. And the way

fuel costs are going, the smaller more efficient machine may just be the
way of the future.


Assuming all the seats are full, (which they usually are full, or almost
full) on the long haul routes, the larger the more efficient.

Larger isn't always more efficient. Yes, you need high seat density for
efficiency on a per seat basis no matter what size the airplane.

Matt

In article , says...


Likewise. It is unfortunate that Boeing has suffered under some pretty
poor management for the last decade or two. If they'd have spent as
much time on airplane design and marketing as they did trying to get the
government to bail them out against Airbus, I think they'd be much more
competitive now.




It is indeed hard to avoid the supposition that Boeing is badly mismanaged in
recent years. The huge rift between the EURO and the dollar should translate
to approximately a 30% pricing advantage for Boeing - a theoretically
insurmountable advantage - yet they have been unable to leverage the advantge,
and have seen market share slipping to Airbus every year.

Meanwhile, faced with the public image momentum of the A380, they have
announced plans to discontinue the 747, and have released, then backed away
from, a number of different options to face-off the competition. To the public
view, Airbus is moving forward, unstoppable like a tank, while Boeing is
flip-flopping like a fish out of water.

G Faris

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:59:44 +0000 (UTC), (G Farris)
wrote:

The huge rift between the EURO and the dollar should translate
to approximately a 30% pricing advantage for Boeing - a theoretically

Not so. Airbus hedged the dollar for several years out. Not until
those hedges are exhausted will Boeing see any advantage.

insurmountable advantage - yet they have been unable to leverage the advantge,
and have seen market share slipping to Airbus every year.

Again, not so. Boeing may well be the market leader this year, on the
strength of the 787.



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