Avgas in France has reached $7.50/gal !

Decimated since when? Post a reference statistic and time as a starting
point.

Well, let's start with the fact that France's efforts at flight pre-date our
own. Is 1903-ish far enough back for you?

What taxes particularly are you referring to?

Avgas taxes. The price of avgas in France (as the subject of this thread
states) has now exceeded $7.50 per gallon, solely as a result of their very
aggressive tax policies.

Where does France get its processed petroleum products and what factors
make the cost of avgas what it is?

I presume that they get their petroleum from the same worldwide supply as
the U.S. -- yet our avgas is "only" $3.30-ish per gallon.

You just pulled thos whole argument out of your ass, dear, and while it
might make an interesting thesis for a classroom debate, you should quit
defending it unless you have a lot of facts to back up your assertions.

As opposed to your well-thought out, carefully crafted counter-arguments?

;-)

The facts are clear. It is your unwillingness to accept them that is
puzzling. Why -- especially in an aviation forum -- are you (and Larry,
Martin, and a couple of other folks) defending a foreign tax system that
more than DOUBLES the price of aviation? This makes no sense to me.

And why are people required to choose aviation as a pursuit based on the
population of their country?

They're not. But based on the population of France, there should be many
times more pilots -- ESPECIALLY given their proud heritage of flight.

I'm still waiting for an answer: If it's NOT the outrageous cost of avgas
that has nearly killed general aviation in France, what is it? Why, in the
land of Bleriot and Saint-Exupery, are there so (relatively) few men and
women feeling the call to the skies, if NOT for price considerations?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:VAT9e.5840$r53.5583@attbi_s21...
Decimated since when? Post a reference statistic and time as a starting
point.

Well, let's start with the fact that France's efforts at flight pre-date
our own. Is 1903-ish far enough back for you?

What taxes particularly are you referring to?

Avgas taxes. The price of avgas in France (as the subject of this thread
states) has now exceeded $7.50 per gallon, solely as a result of their
very aggressive tax policies.

Where does France get its processed petroleum products and what factors
make the cost of avgas what it is?

I presume that they get their petroleum from the same worldwide supply as
the U.S. -- yet our avgas is "only" $3.30-ish per gallon.

You just pulled thos whole argument out of your ass, dear, and while it
might make an interesting thesis for a classroom debate, you should quit
defending it unless you have a lot of facts to back up your assertions.

As opposed to your well-thought out, carefully crafted counter-arguments?

;-)

The facts are clear. It is your unwillingness to accept them that is
puzzling. Why -- especially in an aviation forum -- are you (and Larry,
Martin, and a couple of other folks) defending a foreign tax system that
more than DOUBLES the price of aviation? This makes no sense to me.

And why are people required to choose aviation as a pursuit based on the
population of their country?

They're not. But based on the population of France, there should be many
times more pilots -- ESPECIALLY given their proud heritage of flight.

I'm still waiting for an answer: If it's NOT the outrageous cost of avgas
that has nearly killed general aviation in France, what is it? Why, in
the land of Bleriot and Saint-Exupery, are there so (relatively) few men
and women feeling the call to the skies, if NOT for price considerations?

The French are more culturally mature and have perhaps outgrown such
childish pursuits.

"Chris" wrote in message
...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:VAT9e.5840$r53.5583@attbi_s21...
Decimated since when? Post a reference statistic and time as a starting
point.

Well, let's start with the fact that France's efforts at flight pre-date
our own. Is 1903-ish far enough back for you?

What taxes particularly are you referring to?

Avgas taxes. The price of avgas in France (as the subject of this
thread
states) has now exceeded $7.50 per gallon, solely as a result of their
very aggressive tax policies.

Where does France get its processed petroleum products and what factors
make the cost of avgas what it is?

I presume that they get their petroleum from the same worldwide supply
as
the U.S. -- yet our avgas is "only" $3.30-ish per gallon.

You just pulled thos whole argument out of your ass, dear, and while it
might make an interesting thesis for a classroom debate, you should
quit
defending it unless you have a lot of facts to back up your assertions.

As opposed to your well-thought out, carefully crafted
counter-arguments?

;-)

The facts are clear. It is your unwillingness to accept them that is
puzzling. Why -- especially in an aviation forum -- are you (and Larry,
Martin, and a couple of other folks) defending a foreign tax system that
more than DOUBLES the price of aviation? This makes no sense to me.

And why are people required to choose aviation as a pursuit based on
the
population of their country?

They're not. But based on the population of France, there should be
many
times more pilots -- ESPECIALLY given their proud heritage of flight.

I'm still waiting for an answer: If it's NOT the outrageous cost of
avgas
that has nearly killed general aviation in France, what is it? Why, in
the land of Bleriot and Saint-Exupery, are there so (relatively) few men
and women feeling the call to the skies, if NOT for price
considerations?

The French are more culturally mature and have perhaps outgrown such
childish pursuits.

You forgot the :-). It was a joke wasn't it?

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
m...

"Chris" wrote in message
...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:VAT9e.5840$r53.5583@attbi_s21...
Decimated since when? Post a reference statistic and time as a
starting
point.

Well, let's start with the fact that France's efforts at flight
pre-date
our own. Is 1903-ish far enough back for you?

What taxes particularly are you referring to?

Avgas taxes. The price of avgas in France (as the subject of this
thread
states) has now exceeded $7.50 per gallon, solely as a result of their
very aggressive tax policies.

Where does France get its processed petroleum products and what
factors
make the cost of avgas what it is?

I presume that they get their petroleum from the same worldwide supply
as
the U.S. -- yet our avgas is "only" $3.30-ish per gallon.

You just pulled thos whole argument out of your ass, dear, and while
it
might make an interesting thesis for a classroom debate, you should
quit
defending it unless you have a lot of facts to back up your
assertions.

As opposed to your well-thought out, carefully crafted
counter-arguments?

;-)

The facts are clear. It is your unwillingness to accept them that is
puzzling. Why -- especially in an aviation forum -- are you (and
Larry,
Martin, and a couple of other folks) defending a foreign tax system
that
more than DOUBLES the price of aviation? This makes no sense to me.

And why are people required to choose aviation as a pursuit based on
the
population of their country?

They're not. But based on the population of France, there should be
many
times more pilots -- ESPECIALLY given their proud heritage of flight.

I'm still waiting for an answer: If it's NOT the outrageous cost of
avgas
that has nearly killed general aviation in France, what is it? Why,
in
the land of Bleriot and Saint-Exupery, are there so (relatively) few
men
and women feeling the call to the skies, if NOT for price
considerations?

The French are more culturally mature and have perhaps outgrown such
childish pursuits.

You forgot the :-). It was a joke wasn't it?
Does everything need to be spelt out is such detail. Of course it was a joke
:-(

("Chris" wrote)
You forgot the :-). It was a joke wasn't it?
Does everything need to be spelt out is such detail. Of course it was a
joke :-(


I'll tell you what's NOT funny - go back and look at your posts. Your one
line reply is at the bottom of gobs and gobs of text from previous posts.

Trim please, as it's somewhat inefficient for us readers/lurkers trying to
keep up with these threads otherwise. Thanks :-)


Montblack

Trim please, as it's somewhat inefficient for us readers/lurkers trying to
keep up with these threads otherwise. Thanks :-)

wilco!

("Chris" wrote)
Trim please, as it's somewhat inefficient for us readers/lurkers trying
to keep up with these threads otherwise. Thanks :-)

wilco!


Thank you.

....straight in for any runway. g


Montblack

"Chris" wrote a meanless one line comment

Does everything need to be spelt out is such detail. Of course it was a
joke
:-(

Damn, Chris. Don't be lazy. Snip your posts.
--
Jim in NC

Jay Honeck wrote:
Decimated since when? Post a reference statistic and time as a starting
point.

Well, let's start with the fact that France's efforts at flight pre-date our
own. Is 1903-ish far enough back for you?

No, I requested figures, not dates. You've shown no numbers to indicate
the size of aviation before it was "decimated," (which means, in the
dictionary, that one in ten has been done away with.) How many planes,
pilots, airfields or any other topic you want to use, were there before
it was decimated? How do you know aviation is any smaller than it ever
was?

What taxes particularly are you referring to?

Avgas taxes. The price of avgas in France (as the subject of this thread
states) has now exceeded $7.50 per gallon, solely as a result of their very
aggressive tax policies.


What was the price before, and how much were the taxes?

Where does France get its processed petroleum products and what factors
make the cost of avgas what it is?

I presume that they get their petroleum from the same worldwide supply

We get gasoline and avgas in the US from refineries in this country. One
blows up and the price goes up a dime a gallon. Texas refineries don't
send avgas back aross the ocean, it must be refined in that region. The
world crude-oil market notwithstanding, their operations and volume and
costs and other factors in France determine what REFINED petroleum costs
are there.
Gasoline in European countries has been several times the cost in the US
for decades.
So why are you under the impression it's gone up some time in the recent
past?

Heck, I'd be quite willing to agree with you, if you started this out
with facts. Verifiable data is convincing, baseless opinion is not.
Lacking facts, you could be perfectly opposite reality about everything.
Get some solid data, or you're just building a brick wall without the
bricks.

"Jay Honeck" wrote

I'm still waiting for an answer: If it's NOT the outrageous cost of avgas
that has nearly killed general aviation in France, what is it? Why, in
the
land of Bleriot and Saint-Exupery, are there so (relatively) few men and
women feeling the call to the skies, if NOT for price considerations?


I am afraid you are arguing a lost cause, with people unable or unwilling to
admit a problem. Same result, either way.
--
Jim in NC