Can they do this? Restrict airport to IFR traffic only?

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:48:00 -0700, "mindenpilot"
wrote in
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Being instrument rated, I am aware of practice instrument approaches
in VMC. But does ATC consider them as being conducted in under IFR or
VFR regulations? That is my point.

Perhaps one of the ATC professionals among the readership of this
newsgroup is will be able to cite the relevant FAA Order governing
this.



In the article mentioned in the OP, it says that flights would be restricted
to IFR flights on an IFR flight plan.
I'm still not sure if you could get away with simply filing an IFR flight
plan and flying it maintaining VFR the entire time.
As Larry mentioned, could an ATC pro clear this up?

Thanks,

Adam
N7966L
Beech Super III

In the article mentioned in the OP, it says that flights would be restricted
to IFR flights on an IFR flight plan.
I'm still not sure if you could get away with simply filing an IFR flight
plan and flying it maintaining VFR the entire time.
As Larry mentioned, could an ATC pro clear this up?


To operate under an IFR flight plan (as in UNDER A CLEARANCE) you must
be instrument rated and current. What the weather is like doesn't
matter. Either you CAN legally accept an IFR clearance or you CANNOT.

Also, in a general comment regarding the whole thread... I'm noting that
this discussion is being based on a lay-media article that is not being
written to a pilot/industry audience. I wouldn't be surprised if either
an STMP is placed in effect for this event, with reservations required,
or perhaps other clarification being disseminated by NOTAM closer to the
event.

Dave

"Dave S" wrote

To operate under an IFR flight plan (as in UNDER A CLEARANCE) you must
be instrument rated and current. What the weather is like doesn't
matter. Either you CAN legally accept an IFR clearance or you CANNOT.


If that is true, how can a pilot who has let his currency lapse, get current
again?

Doesn't he have to be on an IFR flight to get current again?
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Dave S" wrote


To operate under an IFR flight plan (as in UNDER A CLEARANCE) you must
be instrument rated and current. What the weather is like doesn't
matter. Either you CAN legally accept an IFR clearance or you CANNOT.



If that is true, how can a pilot who has let his currency lapse, get current
again?

Doesn't he have to be on an IFR flight to get current again?

Either with another pilot in the plane serving as safety who can accept
the IFR clearance (and IS the PIC for that purpose), or under VFR under
the hood with a safety pilot..

Or with an authorized instructor for an IPC. (Who can conduct it under
either above listed method)

Dave

"Dave S" wrote in message link.net...


Morgans wrote:

If that is true, how can a pilot who has let his currency lapse, get current
again?

Doesn't he have to be on an IFR flight to get current again?

Either with another pilot in the plane serving as safety who can accept the IFR clearance (and IS the PIC for that
purpose), or under VFR under the hood with a safety pilot..

Or with an authorized instructor for an IPC. (Who can conduct it under either above listed method)

Dave


This is what the instrument proficiency check is all about - what is it, six months after the 6 months? Requires a CFII
if I understand correctly...

Morgans wrote:

"Dave S" wrote


To operate under an IFR flight plan (as in UNDER A CLEARANCE) you must
be instrument rated and current. What the weather is like doesn't
matter. Either you CAN legally accept an IFR clearance or you CANNOT.



If that is true, how can a pilot who has let his currency lapse, get current
again?

Doesn't he have to be on an IFR flight to get current again?

No.

mindenpilot wrote:




In the article mentioned in the OP, it says that flights would be restricted
to IFR flights on an IFR flight plan.
I'm still not sure if you could get away with simply filing an IFR flight
plan and flying it maintaining VFR the entire time.
As Larry mentioned, could an ATC pro clear this up?

Sure that's no big deal.

In a previous article, Newps said:
mindenpilot wrote:
In the article mentioned in the OP, it says that flights would be restricted
to IFR flights on an IFR flight plan.
I'm still not sure if you could get away with simply filing an IFR flight
plan and flying it maintaining VFR the entire time.
As Larry mentioned, could an ATC pro clear this up?

Sure that's no big deal.

Maybe ATC won't care, but the FAA does care because you'd be violating a
FAR.


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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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[...]
I'm still not sure if you could get away with simply filing an IFR
flight
plan and flying it maintaining VFR the entire time.
As Larry mentioned, could an ATC pro clear this up?

Sure that's no big deal.

Maybe ATC won't care, but the FAA does care because you'd be violating a
FAR.

That depends on the intent behind "mindenpilot"'s question. Nothing he
specifically said precluded legal operation.

A pilot not instrument rated filing an IFR flight plan would indeed be
violating the FARs. And perhaps that's what "mindenpilot" meant. But
that's not what he said.

As "Newps" said, it is perfectly fine to file IFR, fly with an IFR
clearance, and yet maintain visual conditions the entire time, and even fly
under the more relaxed standards of VFR, using a "VFR on top" clearance
(which is what I presume "maintaining VFR" in "mindenpilot"'s post really
means...you don't "maintain" a set of rules, you follow them, but you DO
maintain a certain kind of visual conditions).

Pete

In a previous article, "Peter Duniho" said:
A pilot not instrument rated filing an IFR flight plan would indeed be
violating the FARs. And perhaps that's what "mindenpilot" meant. But
that's not what he said.

Well, except in a previous post, he said:
Also, if the weather is VFR, there is nothing stopping us VFR pilots from
filing an IFR flight plan and flying in, as long as we maintain VFR

Since he referred to himself as "us VFR pilots", it would indeed be a FAR
violation for him to file and fly an IFR flight plan, even if he did it in
VMC.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Zero Tolerance" in this case meaning "We're too stupid to be able to
apply conscious thought on a case-by-case basis".
-- Mike Sphar