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![]() "Jay Honeck" wrote Sorry, Martin. Here's more bad news for Europe and Austria: From AOPA's member news area: "And with that, Dries dropped a bomb. Diamond, he said, is establishing what it calls the Diamond China Project, a new manufacturing facility that will be built "about 300 kilometers east of Beijing." Site construction began one month ago, and it will be twice the size of Diamond's Austrian facility - and capable of employing 1,700 employees and building 600 aircraft a year. Eventually, all propeller-driven Diamond aircraft will be built at the Chinese plant, starting with DA40s. The first DA40 will roll out the so-called "Aviation City" factory doors by year-end." Good Lord help us all! I suppose they will be made with China steel. That is the softest, inconsistent crap have ever seen, let alone all the other made in China crap. -- Jim in NC |
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Good Lord help us all! I suppose they will be made with China steel.
That is the softest, inconsistent crap have ever seen, let alone all the other made in China crap. Now you've done it, Jim, you racist pig. How DARE you launch a wholesale assault on another culture? ;-) Hey, I wonder how many years (months?) it will be before GA in China over-takes what's left of GA in France? ducking! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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![]() "Jay Honeck" wrote Now you've done it, Jim, you racist pig. How DARE you launch a wholesale assault on another culture? Chuckle ;-) Hey, I wonder how many years (months?) it will be before GA in China over-takes what's left of GA in France? ducking! You better! g Seriously, though, at least France has some degree of personal freedom left. The pity is, China is giving us (the US) exzacary what they want. Cheap, at all costs. I hope we wake up, before it is too late, and we have no manufacturing and quality in the US, but I fear we will not. I hope the consensus standards board, or if the Symphony (or any other made in China airplanes) are to be certified, I hope they tear it apart stem to stern, and check every part for hardness, fatigue, and any other test they can think of. I can only imagine airplanes falling from the sky, just like the public thinks is going to happen. One thing for certain; I will not be flying in a made in China airplane. I wonder how many others feel the same way. -- Jim in NC |
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In article , Morgans wrote:
I hope the consensus standards board, or if the Symphony (or any other made in China airplanes) are to be certified, I hope they tear it apart stem to stern, and check every part for hardness, fatigue, and any other test they can think of. I can only imagine airplanes falling from the sky, just like the public thinks is going to happen. One thing for certain; I will not be flying in a made in China airplane. I wonder how many others feel the same way. I don't feel this way at all. I have PIC time in Chinese made aircraft, and I've helped do the grunt work to annual one. The CJ6 I flew was (and is, I know the owner, and he's still flying it very frequently despite the big paycut he had to take going from software engineering to flying for the airlines!) a very well built plane. It is aerobatted with great frequency. It certainly seemed better made than the Russian equivalents (we tend to have the Russky ones here, Russia being closer than China). Not that the Russian ones are badly made, but quite a bit of Russian stuff seems to have rather poor finish. The CJ6 had been made with the attention to the fit and finish of all the parts of the airframe (and was even corrosion-proofed, which is something Cessna didn't do until they restarted production in the 1990s). -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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![]() "Morgans" wrote in message ... "Jay Honeck" wrote Now you've done it, Jim, you racist pig. How DARE you launch a wholesale assault on another culture? Chuckle ;-) Hey, I wonder how many years (months?) it will be before GA in China over-takes what's left of GA in France? ducking! You better! g Seriously, though, at least France has some degree of personal freedom left. The pity is, China is giving us (the US) exzacary what they want. Cheap, at all costs. I hope we wake up, before it is too late, and we have no manufacturing and quality in the US, but I fear we will not. I hope the consensus standards board, or if the Symphony (or any other made in China airplanes) are to be certified, I hope they tear it apart stem to stern, and check every part for hardness, fatigue, and any other test they can think of. I can only imagine airplanes falling from the sky, just like the public thinks is going to happen. One thing for certain; I will not be flying in a made in China airplane. I wonder how many others feel the same way. -- Jim in NC I have time in a Nanching (sp). It is an excellent airplane, solid airframe and bullet proof engine. I don't see a problem as long as they don't use Rotax engines. |
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In article , Dave Stadt wrote:
I have time in a Nanching (sp). It is an excellent airplane, solid airframe and bullet proof engine. I don't see a problem as long as they don't use Rotax engines. I think the new Diamonds (DA-40 etc) use either the diesel or a Lycoming O-360 (rated at 180hp). Rotax aren't a bad engine manufacturers - you've gotta remember a lot of their output is inherently less reliable 2-strokes. The small 4cyl 4stroke fitted to the original Katana I think got a bad rap mainly because there weren't many mainstream Lyco-Conti mechanics who were familiar with it. We don't have a similar problem with the Rotax 91* series engines here where they are more common (indeed, I've flown behind the turbocharged 914S, and it's a very nice engine making sea level power up to around 18000 feet, with automatic turbo and mixture control). -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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![]() "Dylan Smith" wrote Rotax aren't a bad engine manufacturers - you've gotta remember a lot of their output is inherently less reliable 2-strokes. So lots of people say. Nevertheless, you'll not catch me flying behind one, anywhere except the plains, or the water with floats. -- Jim in NC |
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In article , Morgans wrote:
Rotax aren't a bad engine manufacturers - you've gotta remember a lot of their output is inherently less reliable 2-strokes. So lots of people say. Nevertheless, you'll not catch me flying behind one, anywhere except the plains, or the water with floats. I guess I live dangerously, I've flown the Europa across the Irish Sea on several occasions! The 914S is a smooth engine giving good power. I don't hear about them failing any more frequently than the traditional Lyco-Conti engines (which I also fly behind quite frequently, our glider club towplane has an O-320). -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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![]() "Dylan Smith" wrote in message ... In article , Dave Stadt wrote: I have time in a Nanching (sp). It is an excellent airplane, solid airframe and bullet proof engine. I don't see a problem as long as they don't use Rotax engines. I think the new Diamonds (DA-40 etc) use either the diesel or a Lycoming O-360 (rated at 180hp). Rotax aren't a bad engine manufacturers - you've gotta remember a lot of their output is inherently less reliable 2-strokes. The small 4cyl 4stroke fitted to the original Katana I think got a bad rap mainly because there weren't many mainstream Lyco-Conti mechanics who were familiar with it. We don't have a similar problem with the Rotax 91* series engines here where they are more common (indeed, I've flown behind the turbocharged 914S, and it's a very nice engine making sea level power up to around 18000 feet, with automatic turbo and mixture control). They dumped the Rotax because customer support is for the most part non-existant. People aren't going to buy production airplanes that they cannot get engine parts for. Rotax 4 strokes are somewhat better than the 2 strokes but certainly not what they should be. Homebuilders seem to like them because they get to work on them a lot. -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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![]() "Dave Stadt" wrote in message . .. They dumped the Rotax because customer support is for the most part non-existant. People aren't going to buy production airplanes that they cannot get engine parts for. Rotax 4 strokes are somewhat better than the 2 strokes but certainly not what they should be. Homebuilders seem to like them because they get to work on them a lot. That's like marrying a virgin -- they have no baseline to compare! -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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