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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:


Boeing would be long dead without subsidies.

define "subsidies"

Soft government contracts, state governments paying to site factories,
support for labour training, soft government contracts, overpriced
government contracts, government contracts going to factories in swing
states etc

In article ,
"Chris" wrote:

Boeing would be long dead without subsidies.

define "subsidies"

Soft government contracts, state governments paying to site factories,
support for labour training, soft government contracts, overpriced
government contracts, government contracts going to factories in swing
states etc

feh - Those aren't subsidies.

--
Bob Noel
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Chris" wrote:

Boeing would be long dead without subsidies.

define "subsidies"

Soft government contracts, state governments paying to site factories,
support for labour training, soft government contracts, overpriced
government contracts, government contracts going to factories in swing
states etc

feh - Those aren't subsidies.

And just how much of those thingies apply to Boeing?

Bob Noel wrote:

Soft government contracts, state governments paying to site factories,
support for labour training, soft government contracts, overpriced
government contracts, government contracts going to factories in swing
states etc

feh - Those aren't subsidies.

Repayable credits aren't, either.

I think the only answer you'd accept is: Everything the ather guy gets
is subsidies. Everything you get is not.

Stefan

"Stefan" wrote in message
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Bob Noel wrote:

Soft government contracts, state governments paying to site factories,
support for labour training, soft government contracts, overpriced
government contracts, government contracts going to factories in swing
states etc

feh - Those aren't subsidies.

Repayable credits aren't, either.

I think the only answer you'd accept is: Everything the ather guy gets
is subsidies. Everything you get is not.

Stefan

But as I understand it, the AB "repayable credits" are only repayable out of
the profits of the aircraft line they support. Not having any risk in new
development is a pretty big subsidy!

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:06:39 -0600, "Robert B."
wrote:

But as I understand it, the AB "repayable credits" are only repayable out of
the profits of the aircraft line they support. Not having any risk in new
development is a pretty big subsidy!

That's correct. For example, if Airbus gets Launch Aid for the 787
Killer and then decides not to build the aircraft, the money is gone.

Indeed, one wonders how much of the Launch Aid was ever repaid. It
reminds me of the scene in Shakespeare in Love where the theater owner
and the Money talk business on the new production, Ethel and the
Pirate's Daughter:

"But what about the actors?"

"Share of the profits."

"But Mr. Fennyman, there are never any profits!"

"Of course not."

"Mr. Fennyman, I think you're onto something!"

Airbus is certainly onto something with its Launch Aid.


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In article , Stefan
wrote:

I think the only answer you'd accept is: Everything the ather guy gets
is subsidies. Everything you get is not.

I'm looking for a real definition, not some made up one

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

Bob Noel wrote:

I'm looking for a real definition, not some made up one

There is no hard definition. Cheap credits, tax cut, overpriced
contracts, free infrastructure, payed research, import taxes for
competitors etc. etc. are all indirect subsidies. I don't say whether
this is good or bad. Most probably it is inevitable.

Stefan