Avgas in France has reached $7.50/gal !

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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In article , Matt Barrow wrote:
Which is why I put "useful" in quotes. Their engines are not built, I'd
guess, for the speeds or distances involved out here.

Speeds are generally much higher in Europe than the western US.

Have you ever driven the western US? Speed limit is generally 75 and that's
ususally scoffed at. What are speed limits in the rest of Europe other than
the autobahn?

Additionally, take the range of a Volkswagen Jetta TDi - it'll get
around 700 miles off a tank of diesel. It will also give good power in
the mountains, I have friends in Utah who love their TDi. My Dad's last
diesel, a Peugeot, lasted over 350,000 miles.

Americans just don't like diesels. They're better than the junk that came
out 20-25 years ago, but they still sell abysmally other than in the bigger
pickup trucks.

Matt Barrow wrote:


Have you ever driven the western US? Speed limit is generally 75 and that's
ususally scoffed at. What are speed limits in the rest of Europe other than
the autobahn?


120-130 Km/h or 75-80 miles

"Arketip" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:


Have you ever driven the western US? Speed limit is generally 75 and
that's
ususally scoffed at. What are speed limits in the rest of Europe other
than
the autobahn?


120-130 Km/h or 75-80 miles

Must have raised them 'cause when I was there (mid 70's and again in the
early 80s) they topped out about 60.

In article , Matt Barrow wrote:
Must have raised them 'cause when I was there (mid 70's and again in the
early 80s) they topped out about 60.

In Britain, the speed limit has never been that low. All dual
carriageways ('divided highways') have a default speed limit of 70mph.

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"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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In Britain, the speed limit has never been that low. All dual
carriageways ('divided highways') have a default speed limit of 70mph.

Britain didn't have a speed limit until 1967 when the 70mph
national limit was brought in. The "unofficial" speed limit on British
motorways is 85mph. 90-100mph is common. Turbo-diesels are
ideal for these sort of motorway speeds. Good torque for overtaking
and pretty frugal in the process.

Anyone who comes here from the US or Canada complains that
we drive too fast.

Paul

Paul Sengupta wrote:

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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In Britain, the speed limit has never been that low. All dual
carriageways ('divided highways') have a default speed limit of 70mph.


Britain didn't have a speed limit until 1967 when the 70mph
national limit was brought in. The "unofficial" speed limit on British
motorways is 85mph. 90-100mph is common. Turbo-diesels are
ideal for these sort of motorway speeds. Good torque for overtaking
and pretty frugal in the process.

Anyone who comes here from the US or Canada complains that
we drive too fast.

Not true. I lived in England for 4 months and didn't mind at all
driving 100+ on the motorways! And I thought all of the roundabouts
were a hoot. The rock wall lined roads in Wales were interesting however...


Matt

In article , Matt Whiting wrote:
Not true. I lived in England for 4 months and didn't mind at all
driving 100+ on the motorways! And I thought all of the roundabouts
were a hoot. The rock wall lined roads in Wales were interesting however...

Try Manx roads. Part of the TT circuit (the TT is a motorcycle road
race, a 37.75 mile long circuit, raced on public roads) is rock lined.
My Dad races a sidecar outfit in that race (he's already got his race
number for this year's event).

They go hurtling through towns at 140mph+. It's awesome.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article , Matt Barrow wrote:
Speeds are generally much higher in Europe than the western US.

Have you ever driven the western US?

Yes. In a Volkswagen TDi in fact. However, I generally preferred to fly
over the western US in my C140.

Speed limit is generally 75 and that's
ususally scoffed at. What are speed limits in the rest of Europe other than
the autobahn?

Right-o. That's why when I was doing 80 in the Jetta through Colorado
and Utah I was passing practically everything. The prevailing speed of
motorway traffic in Britain is generally 80mph (even though the limit is 70).
In France, I think the autoroutes have a speed limit of 130km/h which is
80mph - faster than your freeways out west - and having driven in
France, I know the French pay little attention to that speed limit (or
many other good principles of road safety!)

Additionally, take the range of a Volkswagen Jetta TDi - it'll get
around 700 miles off a tank of diesel. It will also give good power in
the mountains, I have friends in Utah who love their TDi. My Dad's last
diesel, a Peugeot, lasted over 350,000 miles.

Americans just don't like diesels. They're better than the junk that came
out 20-25 years ago, but they still sell abysmally other than in the bigger
pickup trucks.

I know that - but that doesn't mean that diesels AREN'T good now and
AREN'T up to the job because they most certianly are. A modern turbo
diesel car is as comfortable as a gasoline driven one, just as fast and
often has way better endurance and often has an engine which will last
much longer on less maintenance. Just because Americans in general
haven't considered a diesel car doesn't some how mean the modern
turbo diesel can't cope with distances or speeds out west - on the
distance they are unarguably BETTER than gasoline cars - the range on a
tank of fuel is often 50 to 100% greater than the equivalent gasoline
car, the engines generally are much stronger and last longer,
and the speed is just as good.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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In article , Matt Barrow wrote:
Speeds are generally much higher in Europe than the western US.

Have you ever driven the western US?

Yes. In a Volkswagen TDi in fact. However, I generally preferred to fly
over the western US in my C140.

Speed limit is generally 75 and that's
ususally scoffed at. What are speed limits in the rest of Europe other
than
the autobahn?

Right-o. That's why when I was doing 80 in the Jetta through Colorado
and Utah I was passing practically everything.

Sure you were.

If your were doing 80, you'd have people flashing their highbeams at you to
get out of the way. They raised the speedlimits to 75 about five years ago
and now 85 is normal and 90 is common.



I was going I-40 through northern Arizona, doing 100 and passed two trucks
and GOT passed twice.

The prevailing speed of
motorway traffic in Britain is generally 80mph (even though the limit is
70).

When I was in the UK in the 80's it was 90-100k, 56-62MPH.

In France, I think the autoroutes have a speed limit of 130km/h which is

They must have raied it because I remember it too being 100k's.

80mph - faster than your freeways out west - and having driven in
France, I know the French pay little attention to that speed limit (or
many other good principles of road safety!)

Yup, they have one of the highest highway fatality rates in Europe.


Additionally, take the range of a Volkswagen Jetta TDi - it'll get
around 700 miles off a tank of diesel. It will also give good power in
the mountains, I have friends in Utah who love their TDi. My Dad's last
diesel, a Peugeot, lasted over 350,000 miles.

Americans just don't like diesels. They're better than the junk that
came
out 20-25 years ago, but they still sell abysmally other than in the
bigger
pickup trucks.

I know that - but that doesn't mean that diesels AREN'T good now and
AREN'T up to the job because they most certianly are. A modern turbo
diesel car is as comfortable as a gasoline driven one, just as fast and
often has way better endurance and often has an engine which will last
much longer on less maintenance. Just because Americans in general
haven't considered a diesel car doesn't some how mean the modern
turbo diesel can't cope with distances or speeds out west - on the
distance they are unarguably BETTER than gasoline cars - the range on a
tank of fuel is often 50 to 100% greater than the equivalent gasoline
car, the engines generally are much stronger and last longer,

You sound like the last car salesman I ran into. :~)

Dylan Smith wrote:

Americans just don't like diesels. They're better than the junk that came
out 20-25 years ago, but they still sell abysmally other than in the bigger
pickup trucks.

I know that - but that doesn't mean that diesels AREN'T good now and
AREN'T up to the job because they most certianly are. A modern turbo
diesel car is as comfortable as a gasoline driven one, just as fast and
often has way better endurance and often has an engine which will last
much longer on less maintenance.

If BMW would actually introduce the 745d in the US, well that would be a
car for "out-west". Silent, fast, pulls like a freight train (700nm
torque!) and about 35 mpg highway... I wonder why they haven't done it
yet...

Cheers,
jens
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