Alarming news stories on instructor and student down at HPN

In article , Gary Drescher
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"Tom Fleischman" k wrote in
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news:260420051651377491%bodhijunkoneeightyeightjun ...
So here we have an instructor who is looking to work overtime to make
enough money to go to Puerto Rico to visit his sick father and a
student pilot who was out late the night before drinking in a bar
because he didn't expect to be flying the next day.

This does NOT look good.

Except that the articles you cited said nothing about being in a bar, or
drinking. And even he had been, he could still have been in perfectly
reasonable shape to fly the following afternoon.

You are absolutely right, but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that if he
was shooting pool late at night it was probably in a bar, and if he was
shooting pool late at night he was probably also drinking, particulary
if he didn't think that he'd be flying the next day.

And there's certainly
nothing unusual about a flight instructor needing money.


No, but there is something unusual about an instructor taking a primary
student out in weather that bad.

What is bad? Below IFR mins? Primary students SHOULD get some actual
cloud time.

-Robert, CFI

In article .com,
Robert M. Gary wrote:

What is bad? Below IFR mins? Primary students SHOULD get some actual
cloud time.

-Robert, CFI


VV 200', Indefinate ceiling, very low visibility, temp/dewpoint spread
0 degrees, gusty winds and heavy rain on and off throughout the day.
I'd say it was pretty bad.

Would you really take a primary student out on a day like that? I
didn't fly that day, wouldn't have if you asked me to. They had no
business being there. I do not disagree with you that taking a primary
student on an IFR flight in actual can be a good thing. In fact I took
such a flight during my primary training as it was a wonderful learning
experience. There are good times to do it and bad times to do it. I do
not think it's necessary to take a primary student down to minimums in
order to give him or her the experience of being in IMC. Saturday was
a very bad day to be doing this. That's my opinion.

If I seem particularly ****ed about this it is because this is the type
of thing that gives GA a black eye and could lead to the closing of an
airport. Believe me, HPN has had enough pressure on it before this.
This will only make it worse.

I'll lay off now. Thanks for listening.

Amen


"Tom Fleischman" k wrote in
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In article .com,
Robert M. Gary wrote:

What is bad? Below IFR mins? Primary students SHOULD get some actual
cloud time.

-Robert, CFI


VV 200', Indefinate ceiling, very low visibility, temp/dewpoint spread
0 degrees, gusty winds and heavy rain on and off throughout the day.
I'd say it was pretty bad.

Would you really take a primary student out on a day like that? I
didn't fly that day, wouldn't have if you asked me to. They had no
business being there. I do not disagree with you that taking a primary
student on an IFR flight in actual can be a good thing. In fact I took
such a flight during my primary training as it was a wonderful learning
experience. There are good times to do it and bad times to do it. I do
not think it's necessary to take a primary student down to minimums in
order to give him or her the experience of being in IMC. Saturday was
a very bad day to be doing this. That's my opinion.

If I seem particularly ****ed about this it is because this is the type
of thing that gives GA a black eye and could lead to the closing of an
airport. Believe me, HPN has had enough pressure on it before this.
This will only make it worse.

I'll lay off now. Thanks for listening.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

What is bad? Below IFR mins? Primary students SHOULD get some actual
cloud time.

According to the METARs that corresponded to the accident time, the weather
was low IFR to below minimums.

In another thread someone posted a link that showed the METAR history from
that day.

--
Peter













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