MOGAS availability database

Markus Voget wrote:

wrote:


So, does anyone know of a database that tracks availability of MOGAS
for aviation use?


You did not specify your region, so I might as well give a shot...

MOGAS maps for German and Austrian airfields can be found at
http://eddh.de/equipment/kniebrett.html

http://airnav.com/fuel/local.html

Just select the fuel of choice:
Jet A, 100LL Avgas, 80/87 Avgas, Mogas (auto)

Be VERY careful depending on that feature of Airnav. Most of the places
that list "mogas" don't list a price, have irregular or spotty hours of
attendance, or very well may be mom n pop airparks.

If you plan on using these listed fields, CALL AHEAD and confirm. You
very well may just do better refilling with blue stuff when away from home.

I'm going to be running a Mazda Rotary engine in a Velocity, and the
fuel issue is one that I've looked at several times. I plan on using
100LL when fueling out.

Dave

Darrel Toepfer wrote:
Markus Voget wrote:

wrote:


So, does anyone know of a database that tracks availability of MOGAS
for aviation use?



You did not specify your region, so I might as well give a shot...

MOGAS maps for German and Austrian airfields can be found at
http://eddh.de/equipment/kniebrett.html


http://airnav.com/fuel/local.html

Just select the fuel of choice:
Jet A, 100LL Avgas, 80/87 Avgas, Mogas (auto)

"Dave S" wrote in message
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Be VERY careful depending on that feature of Airnav. Most of the places
that list "mogas" don't list a price, have irregular or spotty hours of
attendance, or very well may be mom n pop airparks.

If you plan on using these listed fields, CALL AHEAD and confirm. You very
well may just do better refilling with blue stuff when away from home.

I'm going to be running a Mazda Rotary engine in a Velocity, and the fuel
issue is one that I've looked at several times. I plan on using 100LL when
fueling out.

Make that last idea a *must*, Dave. You don't know what you are getting out
of a strange mogas tank. It may be 100° out and that mogas could've been
sitting in the tank since winter. My commandments read:
1. Never use mogas from an unfamiliar source.
2. Always test for alcohol.
3. Never use mogas above 5,000' density altitude.
4. Always check for water.
5. Never use mogas above 80° F.

Remember - 100 LL can foul a spark plug. Mogas can boil, give you vapor
lock, and stop your engine RFN. Which would you prefer? Would you like fries
with that?

Rich S.

Rich S. wrote:
Make that last idea a *must*, Dave. You don't know what you are
getting out
of a strange mogas tank. It may be 100° out and that mogas could've been
sitting in the tank since winter. My commandments read:
1. Never use mogas from an unfamiliar source.
2. Always test for alcohol.
3. Never use mogas above 5,000' density altitude.
4. Always check for water.
5. Never use mogas above 80° F.

Remember - 100 LL can foul a spark plug. Mogas can boil, give you vapor
lock, and stop your engine RFN. Which would you prefer? Would you like fries
with that?

Rich S.

Dude... I'm using mogas because I'm using a MO-engine. I've driven cars
at over 5000 ft (Lake Tahoe.. 9000 ft) MSL.. and in temps over 100* F...
and alcohol wont hurt MY engine because the seals in it and the fuel
system are DESIGNED to use motor gas in all of its domestic
forumulations. I think some of those "absolutes" you are listing are
overkill.

I will be using fuel injected engine with an automotive fuel rail
regulated at 40 PSI over upper deck pressure..through a recirculating
fuel circut with firesleeved hoses. I don't think vapor lock is gonna be
the issue here. I'm just planning on using 100LL because I dont want to
land on a 2000 ft sod strip 40 miles from the nearest town of over
50,000 people. I'm into flying to travel to where the people are

"Dave S" wrote in message
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Dude... I'm using mogas because I'm using a MO-engine. I've driven cars at
over 5000 ft (Lake Tahoe.. 9000 ft) MSL.. and in temps over 100* F... and
alcohol wont hurt MY engine because the seals in it and the fuel system
are DESIGNED to use motor gas in all of its domestic forumulations. I
think some of those "absolutes" you are listing are overkill.

I will be using fuel injected engine with an automotive fuel rail
regulated at 40 PSI over upper deck pressure..through a recirculating fuel
circut with firesleeved hoses. I don't think vapor lock is gonna be the
issue here. I'm just planning on using 100LL because I dont want to land
on a 2000 ft sod strip 40 miles from the nearest town of over 50,000
people. I'm into flying to travel to where the people are


So? You've a different set of commandments. I just related *mine*. :^)

Rich S.

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"Rich S." wrote in message
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"Dave S" wrote in message
k.net...
Dude... I'm using mogas because I'm using a MO-engine. I've driven cars
at over 5000 ft (Lake Tahoe.. 9000 ft) MSL.. and in temps over 100* F...
and alcohol wont hurt MY engine because the seals in it and the fuel
system are DESIGNED to use motor gas in all of its domestic
forumulations. I think some of those "absolutes" you are listing are
overkill.

I will be using fuel injected engine with an automotive fuel rail
regulated at 40 PSI over upper deck pressure..through a recirculating
fuel circut with firesleeved hoses. I don't think vapor lock is gonna be
the issue here. I'm just planning on using 100LL because I dont want to
land on a 2000 ft sod strip 40 miles from the nearest town of over 50,000
people. I'm into flying to travel to where the people are


So? You've a different set of commandments. I just related *mine*. :^)

Rich S.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Why Jay, that is the most intelligent thing I have heard you say in a long
time! ;-)
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Jim in NC

"Dave S" wrote in message
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Rich S. wrote:
Make that last idea a *must*, Dave. You don't know what you are getting
out
of a strange mogas tank. It may be 100° out and that mogas could've been
sitting in the tank since winter. Rich S.

Dude... I'm using mogas because I'm using a MO-engine. I've driven cars at
over 5000 ft (Lake Tahoe.. 9000 ft) MSL.. and in temps over 100* F... and
alcohol wont hurt MY engine because the seals in it and the fuel system
are DESIGNED to use motor gas in all of its domestic formulations. I
think some of those "absolutes" you are listing are overkill.

Oh - as for the rest of it? Lousy gas can stop that Wankel in it's tracks.
Gas that is not blended for altitude and or season (temperature) can make
the fan stop turning. In your car, you likely bought gas that was intended
for use at Lake Tahoe and/or in temps over 100° F. In your airplane you
might buy mogas at sea level which is designed for sea level. Then you haul
your butt to 10,000' msl and your sea level mogas is merrily bubbling away.
Firesleeves and recirculation only *delay* vapor lock - they don't prevent
it.

You may be safe - for a while. Then maybe. . .not. You have a point - stay
close to roads and civilization.

Rich "Never say 'all'" S.

"Rich S." wrote in message
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Gas that is not blended for altitude and or season (temperature) can make
the fan stop turning. In your car, you likely bought gas that was intended
for use at Lake Tahoe and/or in temps over 100° F.

That's silly. We have driven a Suburban, with its 42 gallon tank, all over
the US, including Lake Tahoe. We bought the fuel we rode into Tahoe on at
least 500 miles away, not far above sea level, in the desert. Many times,
fuel purchased in one locale took us right into a place with completely
different characteristics (altitude, temperature, whatever).

I wouldn't be surprised to find there are road vehicles with even greater
range (the actual range of our Suburban is about 800 miles, but we didn't
roll into Lake Tahoe on fumes, of course). In fact, I'm pretty sure the
hybrids do, and I know at least two that have been driven on long trips.
Never heard any complaints about gas troubles there either.

I've seen the "well, but the auto gas is specially formulated for the region
in which it's sold" line before. It just doesn't hold up to common sense
and personal experience. If the gas *is* specially formulated, then using
it in the "wrong" place certainly doesn't cause anything so serious as
engine stoppage, or even any significant performance difference (ie,
noticeable by the driver).

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Rich S." wrote in message
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[...]
Gas that is not blended for altitude and or season (temperature) can
make
the fan stop turning. In your car, you likely bought gas that was
intended
for use at Lake Tahoe and/or in temps over 100° F.

That's silly. We have driven a Suburban, with its 42 gallon tank, all
over
the US, including Lake Tahoe. We bought the fuel we rode into Tahoe on at
least 500 miles away, not far above sea level, in the desert. Many times,
fuel purchased in one locale took us right into a place with completely
different characteristics (altitude, temperature, whatever).

Formulations aside, my big concern with buying mogas from a podunk airport
tank is that the gas could be old and contaminated. This would be due to the
small number of planes that are actually set up to burn mogas. With 100LL,
you can feel a bit more assured that the fuel has a had a decent "turnover"
rate and the fuel is fresher and cleaner.

-Trent
PP-ASEL