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Chuck: Reading the list of the posters and some of their comments, it seems
that all of the instruction is going to the choir. It seems all agree with your point of view except Juan Jimenez. It doesn't look like any kind of open discussion, but if it makes the participants feel better, I guess that's reason enough to continue. Although I would like to see the number of T hangars that could be built with the energy and time spent. BTW I've been aware of Campbell's reputation for some time and have no reason to defend him. "ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... In article , Stuart & Kathryn Fields says... Well Chuck, I assume by your reply that something measurably positive is being created by all of this bashing? Granted there is some bashing in some of the posts but the point of the posts is to instruct not bash for bashing sake. It evident to me that you missed the point of the postings. Did you go to http://www.ousterhout.net/ to get some background before assuming that there was no positives to all this? Did you do any Google searches to get a feel for what this is all about or are you just playing newsgroup censor? In my opinion zoom is a phony and thru the years he has damaged many peoples name ,reputation and livihoods, is this OK with you? I would hope not. I'm sure the 2 companies he just sued at SnF for non payment of unwanted ads wish they could have been informed before doing business with him. That's the positve message. I wish there was as much creative information about homebuilts here. There is loads of homebuilt info here and from time to time a zoom thread will pop up, run a while and stop .No big deal. Maybe you don't realize that most of the people and companies zoom has hurt are deeply involved in the homebuilt field. People that he bullied into silence while he had his magazine where he controlled the content and never ran a letter to the editor from a lot of us defending our positions. His side was the only one heard for a long time. Only thru the Internet and RAH in particular did those of us who were zoomed have a voice. I never knew that there were more then a couple of us who had been zoomed until I started posting my story on the net. Then the gates opened and the truth about zoom was opened to the light of day. The list of those who have been zoomed reads like a "Who's Who in homebuilt aviation" list. If you look at the relative amount of postings and the content, the name of the newsgroup might be better called "Bashing Practice 101" Maybe from you seemingly uninformed perspective it may seem that way but I respectfully disagree with your conclusions. Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret "zoom can fool most of the people some of the time ,some of the people none of the time& jaun all of the time" anon |
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In article , Stuart Fields says...
Chuck: Reading the list of the posters and some of their comments, it seems that all of the instruction is going to the choir. It seems all agree with your point of view except Juan Jimenez. Beside the people who do post there is a large group of folks who just lurk. Some because of their jobs (aviation writers) who must be careful of controversy so they don't post but they certainly read the posts. Usually I see them at air shows and we discuss zoom among other things.I talked to Kevin O'Brien from ANN this year and had a friendly ,as usual, discussion with him. I also saw John Ballentyne from ANN who stopped at our booth to visit but I was in the trailer working a deal so I couldn't say hi. There are things said that I, out of courtesy to all the writers I know, wouldn't repeat in public. You might be surprised to know how many writers zoom has zoomed :-)Most if not all are aware of zoom and take a tar baby approach to him. Others have written me private e mails stating they were not aware of zoom's tactics and took him at face value until they saw the posts and went to John O's zoom site.However they didn't want to get involved in a public forum. Generally speaking the "choir" consists mainly of people who have been "zoomed" at one time or another and have no fear in posting. It doesn't look like any kind of open discussion, but if it makes the participants feel better, I guess that's reason enough to continue. The purpose or at least my purpose in bringing up zoom from time to time is to make people aware of what a phony he is and how he used his magazine to unfairly malign people. Also to warn potential advertisers that zoom may do to them what he has done for years ,that is to run unwanted ads and bill the companies .If they don't pay he bullies them with threats of lawsuits and collection agency's. There would be an open discussion if zoom would defend himself but he's in a non defensible position .His toady jaun doesn't provide any logical arguments he just name calls and makes irrelevant statements. Although I would like to see the number of T hangars that could be built with the energy and time spent. Might make an interesting study . However the 5 mins I take to write a post wouldn't get much done in the T hangar dept.LOL!! At that rate it would take me about 10 years :-) BTW I've been aware of Campbell's reputation for some time and have no reason to defend him. Which makes me all the more curious as to why you took me to task on this thread and not jaun. jaun evidently approves of zooms tactics because he constantly defends him. You say you have no reason to defend zoom but you took the side of criticizing the thread. I suspect that you knew if you criticized jaun you'd be blasted and called names by him. On the other hand you and I have had a dialog that didn't involve name calling and was on a civil level even though we may not entirely agree.I'd call that an "open discussion." :-) See ya Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret "evil didn't prosper because good men spoke and evil was nuts" anon |
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![]() "ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote Which makes me all the more curious as to why you took me to task on this thread and not jaun. jaun evidently approves of zooms tactics because he constantly defends him. You say you have no reason to defend zoom but you took the side of criticizing the thread. I suspect that you knew if you criticized jaun you'd be blasted and called names by him. On the other hand you and I have had a dialog that didn't involve name calling and was on a civil level even though we may not entirely agree.I'd call that an "open discussion." :-) See ya Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret All good points. There are many, among the movers and shakers in the aviation industry, that need to know the pitfalls of being zoomed. They should continue to read and learn, and not ignore the zoom threads. There are others, like myself, that are not among the movers and shakers (for now - I might have an ace up my sleeve for a future day ;-)...), that continue to read, just because.. it's good entertainment, or... or... whatever! There are others that care not of zoom, or yaun, and who feel that the zoom threads are an annoyance to their enjoyment of this newsgroup. They should use the zoom subject as a kill filter, and read not. That was the reason for one of my posts in this thread; to tell Stuart to filter, and others, that feel the need to complain, that don't want to learn and be warned. Clear enough, everyone? :-) -- Jim in NC |
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In article , Morgans says...
All good points. There are many, among the movers and shakers in the aviation industry, that need to know the pitfalls of being zoomed. They should continue to read and learn, and not ignore the zoom threads. There are others, like myself, that are not among the movers and shakers (for now - I might have an ace up my sleeve for a future day ;-)...), that continue to read, just because.. it's good entertainment, or... or... whatever! There are others that care not of zoom, or yaun, and who feel that the zoom threads are an annoyance to their enjoyment of this newsgroup. They should use the zoom subject as a kill filter, and read not. That was the reason for one of my posts in this thread; to tell Stuart to filter, and others, that feel the need to complain, that don't want to learn and be warned. Clear enough, everyone? :-) Good points as well Jim and appreciated. See ya Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret |
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![]() "ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... Beside the people who do post there is a large group of folks who just lurk. Some because of their jobs (aviation writers) who must be careful of controversy so they don't post but they certainly read the posts. Usually I see them at air shows and we discuss zoom among other things.I talked to Kevin O'Brien from ANN this year and had a friendly ,as usual, discussion with him. And it says a lot about you that you don't mention that Kevin is a regular writer for ANN and continues year after year to do the same, in spite of all your BS. I also saw John Ballentyne from ANN who stopped at our booth to visit but I was in the trailer working a deal so I couldn't say hi. There are things said that I, out of courtesy to all the writers I know, wouldn't repeat in public. Such as the fact that John also continues to write for ANN, and has a high regard for Jim? Now why does that not surprise me about you? ![]() Others have written me private e mails stating they were not aware of zoom's tactics and took him at face value until they saw the posts and went to John O's zoom site.However they didn't want to get involved in a public forum. And yet many times more others write on a daily basis to ANN praising the publication for its content. You'd be surprised of the people who write. There are some who will be VERY surprised, very soon, to hear who supports ANN in a major way. The purpose or at least my purpose in bringing up zoom from time to time is to make people aware of what a phony he is and how he used his magazine to unfairly malign people. And year after year it fails to make the slightest dent in ANN's continued growth and success. But what the hell, you like to bang your head against the wall, go right ahead. ![]() Which makes me all the more curious as to why you took me to task on this thread and not jaun. One guess. On the other hand you and I have had a dialog that didn't involve name calling and was on a civil level even though we may not entirely agree.I'd call that an "open discussion." :-) Pot, kettle, black, coming from someone who openly admitted in this very forum that you started this by attacking me on the newsgroup without provocation and without any other reason other than I said I had begun writing for ANN. You're nothing more than a two-bit, two-faced lying hypocrit, Chuck, and nothing you say or do will ever change that. And _that_ is something _I_ will never stop reminding everyone of. Get used to it. Juan |
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In article , Juan Jimenez says...
"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... Beside the people who do post there is a large group of folks who just lurk. Some because of their jobs (aviation writers) who must be careful of controversy so they don't post but they certainly read the posts. Usually I see them at air shows and we discuss zoom among other things.I talked to Kevin O'Brien from ANN this year and had a friendly ,as usual, discussion with him. And it says a lot about you that you don't mention that Kevin is a regular writer for ANN and continues year after year to do the same, in spite of all your BS. I also saw John Ballentyne from ANN who stopped at our booth to visit but I was in the trailer working a deal so I couldn't say hi. There are things said that I, out of courtesy to all the writers I know, wouldn't repeat in public. Such as the fact that John also continues to write for ANN, and has a high regard for Jim? Now why does that not surprise me about you? ![]() Others have written me private e mails stating they were not aware of zoom's tactics and took him at face value until they saw the posts and went to John O's zoom site.However they didn't want to get involved in a public forum. And yet many times more others write on a daily basis to ANN praising the publication for its content. You'd be surprised of the people who write. There are some who will be VERY surprised, very soon, to hear who supports ANN in a major way. The purpose or at least my purpose in bringing up zoom from time to time is to make people aware of what a phony he is and how he used his magazine to unfairly malign people. And year after year it fails to make the slightest dent in ANN's continued growth and success. But what the hell, you like to bang your head against the wall, go right ahead. ![]() Which makes me all the more curious as to why you took me to task on this thread and not jaun. One guess. On the other hand you and I have had a dialog that didn't involve name calling and was on a civil level even though we may not entirely agree.I'd call that an "open discussion." :-) Pot, kettle, black, coming from someone who openly admitted in this very forum that you started this by attacking me on the newsgroup without provocation and without any other reason other than I said I had begun writing for ANN. You're nothing more than a two-bit, two-faced lying hypocrit, Chuck, and nothing you say or do will ever change that. And _that_ is something _I_ will never stop reminding everyone of. Get used to it. Yawn.... http://www.ousterhout.net/ Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret "zoom can fool most of the people some of the time,some of the people none of the time and jaun all of the time" chuck s |
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![]() "ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... Yawn.... flashlight As I suspected, just like 7-Up, never had it, never will, no thing more than empty space. Dork. ![]() |
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... Yawn.... flashlight As I suspected, just like 7-Up, never had it, never will, no thing more than empty space. Dork. ![]() Dork, well at last an honest signature finally! :-) Matt |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
... Juan Jimenez wrote: "ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... Yawn.... flashlight As I suspected, just like 7-Up, never had it, never will, no thing more than empty space. Dork. ![]() Dork, well at last an honest signature finally! :-) Ah, Young Whiting. You underestimate the power of the Dork Side. . . Rich S. |
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In article , Matt Whiting says...
Dork, well at last an honest signature finally! :-) Hey Matt I'm glad I wasn't the only one to see jaun be honest about something for a change even if he didn't realize it LOL!! See ya Chuck S |
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