"Da Mayor" At Work

I've been in AOPA since the late 70s. I become more disillisioned with them
by the year. They're impotent. Recently they shut down their message
board instead of just controlling a couple rogue posters. They put out a
line
that they're just "improving" it .. I guess time will tell on that one. The
DC
ADIZ and the constant pop up 30 mile radius TFRs are still around. They're
a business that sells memberships .. not an an organization for the benefit
of members.


"CJ" wrote in message ...


Y'know, I joined AOPA because of their indignation over Meigs. I'm
ignoring their reinlistment emails because of their inability to do squat.
What was the final fine? $13,000 or something?! And AOPA spent tens of
thousands for that, and acts smug.

Freinds of Meigs needed help. AOPA promised help and threw words at them.
Meigs is toast.

Paraphrasing Boyer, "Your organization is..." nothing.

Damn, I wish Edward Abbey was still alive (and a pilot)!

- cj

OtisWinslow wrote:

I've been in AOPA since the late 70s. I become more disillisioned with them
by the year. They're impotent. Recently they shut down their message
board instead of just controlling a couple rogue posters. They put out a
line
that they're just "improving" it .. I guess time will tell on that one. The
DC
ADIZ and the constant pop up 30 mile radius TFRs are still around. They're
a business that sells memberships .. not an an organization for the benefit
of members.


The AOPA is a very small organization when compared to the money
involved in politics. I think you guys are expecting too much. How
much do you think such an organization can do in the face or corrupt
politicians, or even just ones that get more money from other interest
groups. I think the only way we are going to stop this kind of thing,
is for EVERY rights group to join forces and fight every stupid
political move or law that restricts the rights of any group. I doubt
that will happen. We lazy Americans don't seem to care until it is
something that directly effects us and what we like to do. What I don't
think most realize, is that an attack on any groups freedom is an attack
on everyone's freedom. Of course there is one big problem with my idea,
lots of so called rights groups that have nothing to do with rights and
really have the same agenda as the people trying to take away rights.

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"Chris W" wrote in message news:Agqee.2401$cf5.1910@lakeread07...
I think the only way we are going to stop this kind of thing,
is for EVERY rights group to join forces and fight every stupid
political move or law that restricts the rights of any group.

Nawh, I have a better solution... Since the cause of all our problems is all
the damn lawyers that we have, I suggest that we start off by killing half
the lawyers... If that doesn't fix the problems, well, we'll just have to
kill off the other half... And if that still doesn't fix it, we can dig 'em
back up again, I guess... evil-grin

"Chris W" wrote in message news:Agqee.2401$cf5.1910@lakeread07...
I think the only way we are going to stop this kind of thing,
is for EVERY rights group to join forces and fight every stupid
political move or law that restricts the rights of any group.

How about fighting any law that restricts the rights of any INDIVIDUAL?

Groups don't have rights...only individuals.

Matt Barrow wrote:

"Chris W" wrote in message news:Agqee.2401$cf5.1910@lakeread07...


I think the only way we are going to stop this kind of thing,
is for EVERY rights group to join forces and fight every stupid
political move or law that restricts the rights of any group.



How about fighting any law that restricts the rights of any INDIVIDUAL?

Groups don't have rights...only individuals.



Well if you want to get nit picky, you replied to the wrong post.
Obviously it is the individual people that have the rights. However,
the only way to effectively fight for those rights is to organize into a
group. The problem, as I see it, is there are too many small groups
fighting for only certain rights, what we need is for them all to
combine to fight for all rights.

--
Chris W

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give the gifts they want
http://thewishzone.com

The problem, as I see it, is there are too many small groups fighting for only certain rights, what we need is for them all to combine to fight for all rights.

Rights conflict with each other.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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The problem, as I see it, is there are too many small groups fighting
for only certain rights, what we need is for them all to combine to fight
for all rights.

Rights conflict with each other.


Not if they're RIGHTS rather than special interest privileges.
The theory of individual rights maintains it can't be a right if it
conflicts with another persons rights. Also, that rights are "negative" and
that positive rights can't exist (i.e., someone has to do something for you
or give something to you).

Chris W wrote:

The problem, as I see it, is there are too many small groups
fighting for only certain rights, what we need is for them all to
combine to fight for all rights.

You will never get any of those groups to agree that all the "rights" one of the
others claims to have are actually rights.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

"Chris W" wrote in message
news:JMOee.2463$cf5.417@lakeread07...
Matt Barrow wrote:

"Chris W" wrote in message news:Agqee.2401$cf5.1910@lakeread07...


I think the only way we are going to stop this kind of thing,
is for EVERY rights group to join forces and fight every stupid
political move or law that restricts the rights of any group.



How about fighting any law that restricts the rights of any INDIVIDUAL?

Groups don't have rights...only individuals.



Well if you want to get nit picky, you replied to the wrong post.
Obviously it is the individual people that have the rights. However,
the only way to effectively fight for those rights is to organize into a
group.

Whole different context -- gathering force in numbers.

The problem, as I see it, is there are too many small groups
fighting for only certain rights,

Actaully, most groups fight for rights they maintain are applicable to the
group (blacks, woemn, gays, straights, French...).

what we need is for them all to
combine to fight for all rights.

Well, first they have to understand that rights can only pertain to the
individual...otherwise they're farting into the wind of special interests.

Actaully, most groups fight for rights they maintain are applicable to the
group (blacks, woemn, gays, straights, French...).

"French?"
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