Leaving Usnet Groups, Bye

Matt Whiting wrote:

I've been using usenet for 10+ years and have found that people tend to
come across as more hostile in writing than they really are in person.
This happens in email as well.Â*Â*YouÂ*don'tÂ*haveÂ*theÂ*inflectionÂ*andÂ*o ther
nonverbal cues that you get in mano-y-mano conversation and it is easy
for things to escalate well beyond what anyone intended.

I've been USENETing since at least 84 (according to DejaGoogle), and I
agree. For a while, I resisted using those "emotocon" glyphs reasoning
that words should be sufficient in a written medium.

Eventually, I gave that up. Too many read perhaps every other, or every
third, word. Any possible subtlety is lost when reading is so sparse.
Spoonfeeding is required.

- Andrew

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 18:00:22 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

Junior High School stuff! Try something else less predictable. I'm a chess
player and tend to enjoy the game, but you're no challenge at all .
:-)
DH (not really worth the signature)


Duds,

One thing is for sure. You will never die of terminal humility.

Let me guess here. The king in your chess set is a hand carved
likeness of yourself.

I know I'm right about this, so don't deny it.

Tell me, is there something about your deliberate misuse of a person's name
in your openings that turns you on...or makes you feel more powerful behind
all that anonymity people like you enjoy in front of that computer screen?
:-)
Let me clue you in on something in case it's been missed in your Usenet
education. The practice of misusing a person's name like you have been doing
with mine for just about every post you have made on this thread doesn't
make people like myself angry. It only serves to weaken whatever case you're
trying to make and marks you to anyone with intelligence reading your
posts....well, almost everyone. There will always be the "tag on's" who
don't like somebody who jump in like Hyenas to take their own shots at a
specific individual, be it me or someone else.
Again....you will have much more credibility on Usenet if you refrain from
the "twisting the name into sarcastic context" game. :-)
DH

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
gonline.com...
Matt Whiting wrote:

I've been using usenet for 10+ years and have found that people tend to
come across as more hostile in writing than they really are in person.
This happens in email as well. You don't have the inflection and other
nonverbal cues that you get in mano-y-mano conversation and it is easy
for things to escalate well beyond what anyone intended.

I've been USENETing since at least 84 (according to DejaGoogle), and I
agree. For a while, I resisted using those "emotocon" glyphs reasoning
that words should be sufficient in a written medium.

Eventually, I gave that up. Too many read perhaps every other, or every
third, word. Any possible subtlety is lost when reading is so sparse.
Spoonfeeding is required.

- Andrew

Your choice of the word "spoonfeeding" here is indicative of the problems
found in email and posting communication. Taken in context, the word
"spoonfeeding" as you have used it can indicate a deficiency on the part of
the receiver of the communication. To focus in any way on the receiver of a
communication is to mask the responsibility of the writer of the
communication to make EVERY effort to convey the "mood" and "tone" of the
communication.
This is why we use emoticons for electronic visual communication.
The problem is that many people are intimidated by the use of an emoticon;
feeling that their use implies a lesser level of intelligence.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
There are few people in this world with the natural writing skill to
completely convey with a zero error margin, the tone and mood of a written
thought.
Your use of the word "spoonfeeding" is a perfect example of what I'm talking
about. Your thought was correct. Your statement was correct. The writer does
indeed have to be extremely careful when trying to convey the mood and tone
of a letter.
But the use of the word "spoonfeeding" would not be my first choice to
describe what is required.
:-))))) This is much less "threatening" than the word "spoonfeeding". Do
YOU like the thought that someone thinks in order for you to understand what
has been written to you, that you have to be "spoon-fed" the information?
Think about it! :-)
Dudley Henriques

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 18:46:57 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

I would assume since I have never posted initially to you, that you and I
have nothing in common. Whether I respond or don't respond is no biggie
I'm
sure for either one of us. I have simply chosen to respond this time.
Trust me, as soon as this exchange has ended, I will revert back to my
policy of not posting to anything you have to say on Usenet, and if we
ever
"meet" again on this group, it will be because you again did as you have
done here; which is to post to me. At that time I'll again make a decision
whether or not I wish to deal with you.
But you're right about one thing. Nothing in the way of useful information
will ever pass between us, so I agree that nothing is lost.
DH


Why do you always use 150 words when about 15 will accomplish the
task?

Bye! How's this?

On Thu, 05 May 2005 19:28:44 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:


wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 18:46:57 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

I would assume since I have never posted initially to you, that you and I
have nothing in common. Whether I respond or don't respond is no biggie
I'm
sure for either one of us. I have simply chosen to respond this time.
Trust me, as soon as this exchange has ended, I will revert back to my
policy of not posting to anything you have to say on Usenet, and if we
ever
"meet" again on this group, it will be because you again did as you have
done here; which is to post to me. At that time I'll again make a decision
whether or not I wish to deal with you.
But you're right about one thing. Nothing in the way of useful information
will ever pass between us, so I agree that nothing is lost.
DH


Why do you always use 150 words when about 15 will accomplish the
task?

Bye! How's this?



Better.

Dudley Henriques wrote:

Taken in context, the word
"spoonfeeding" as you have used it can indicate a deficiency on the part
of the receiver of the communication.

Or the medium. Try eating soup with a fork, for example.

- Andrew

Dudley Henriques wrote:


The first thing you learn in flying is NEVER to put much faith in general
analogies. They don't work for various reasons.
On Usenet, the old "ignore them" analogy usually ends up right back out
here on Usenet, being laid out by someone for someone else, as nothing
more than absolute proof that the analogy doesn't work in the first place.
:-)
No my friend....unfortunately it's man's basic flaws and individual
personalities that will determine how communication is carried out on
Usenet, not the old "ignore um" analogy.
But it sounds good anyway :-)))))

Dudley Henriques


Dudley,

When you use the word "analogy" do you mean, like, "rule of thumb" or
"method"?

Just asking.

--
Saville

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Steambending FAQ with photos:

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"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:

Taken in context, the word
"spoonfeeding" as you have used it can indicate a deficiency on the part
of the receiver of the communication.

Or the medium. Try eating soup with a fork, for example.

- Andrew

True.

All the more the need for the simple approach like that ridiculous looking
little emoticon :-). So simple....so effective. No mistakes. Says it all
mood and tone wise all in a simple key hit! Occam's Razor at it's finest!
:-))
Dudley

"Dave A." wrote

Snippage of a fine bit of wisdom

ignoring the knuckleheads "phone calls" is the first step to getting
something from usenet besides a headache.

Some of the best thoughts I have seen. Keep it up!
--
Jim in NC

So once again, lighten up. You'll live longer. And don't waste your
time and bandwidth on what you call "Henriques Usenet hints". I'm
sure to ignore them.

But thanks anyway, for the offer.

It is a real shame that dudley does not have a personality to go with his
experience on the subject of aviation. I had a few run-ins with him a few
years ago, starting from a comment that was in no way deserving of the
response he gave. Take it from me - ignore him when he goes off, or just
kill-file him. His approach will not change, and you are only an inferior
pimple on his ass to be eliminated, as far as he is concerned.
--
Jim in NC