I Will Never Understand Wind

The last two issues of New Yorker Magazine contain a series on global
warming that might broaden your understanding of the issue. You're not
seeing the forest for the trees.


Denny wrote:
We have been in "global warming" some 20,000 - 30,000 years now and the
"warming" continues apace and on schedule... Being that there was no
industrial activity, CFC spray cans, or SUV's, around some 20,000 -
30,000 years ago when the latest ice age reversed itself, global
warming replaced global cooling, the glaciers began retreating, and the
sea began rising, I doubt that a science based connection between
modern activity and global warming can be established with any degree
of verifiability or certainty... Of course, those who are emotionally
invested in the Kyoto Treaty, etc. and/or have an agenda will totally
ignore the scientific fact that we have been in a state of massive
global warming for more than 20,000 years, not just the last 150 years
since the industrial revolution...

Another pertinent point is that the ice age (our ice age with a glacial
moraine just a half dozen miles from where I sit) just past is simply
the most recent one in a sequence of some 30 to 50 ice ages covering a
span in excess of one quarter of a billion years.... Which company or
government do we blame for the previous 30-50 global warmings?

cheers ... denny

We have been in "global warming" some 20,000 - 30,000 years now and the
"warming" continues apace and on schedule...

Uh... I don't know about that. How much of a temperature rise was there
in the last fifty years? How much of a temperature rise was there in
the last twenty thousand years?

Are they on the same straight line?

Jose
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Jose wrote:

Uh... I don't know about that. How much of a temperature rise was there
in the last fifty years?

Actually, we haven't had a measurable rise on a global scale in 100 years. We've
had some strong local swings, however. New York has gone up over 5 degrees
average. Vienna has gone down. Over the last 20 years, ice has thickened
everywhere in Antarctica *except* the Ross ice shelf, where it's thinning (guess
what part gets the air play).

The weirdest guy I've heard is the clown who argues that the Greenland ice cap
will melt over the course of the next 1,000 years. The thing is, most of the
media people run that as a straight story -- only they leave off the "next 1,000
years" part and follow it up with a crack about "better sell your beachfront
property". NPR at least ran it straight.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

"Jose" wrote in message
. ..
We have been in "global warming" some 20,000 - 30,000 years now and the
"warming" continues apace and on schedule...

Uh... I don't know about that. How much of a temperature rise was there
in the last fifty years? How much of a temperature rise was there in
the last twenty thousand years?

Are they on the same straight line?
The long term cycle of temperatures peaked in 1940.

When you use world wide reading and wash out the heat island effects, temps
have actually declined a bit in recent years.

A while back there was hysteria about glaciers in Yellowstone Park that had
now all but disappeared compared to pictures taken in the 1880's. They said
global warming, of course. The hysteria died out, though, when other
pictures showed they had all but disappeared by 1910.

If it wasn't for global warming, we'd still be in the Ice Age.