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Old May 7th 05, 01:26 PM
Jay Honeck
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The thing is, it'd be nice to keep ourselves in a situation where we can
continue to enjoy the high standard of living we do now - and that will
require change of some sort.


Agreed.

But I, as opposed to many, have faith that the economic system will
"provide" us with the solution, as it did when petroleum supplanted whale
oil. If I had to guess at this early stage, I'd say that the solution will
be hydrogen -- but there's really no way to tell.
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Old May 7th 05, 02:09 PM
Dylan Smith
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In article au2fe.55730$NU4.36038@attbi_s22, Jay Honeck wrote:
But I, as opposed to many, have faith that the economic system will
"provide" us with the solution, as it did when petroleum supplanted whale
oil. If I had to guess at this early stage, I'd say that the solution will
be hydrogen -- but there's really no way to tell.


I'd guess more diesel-type fuels; trouble with hydrogen is it's
difficult to store, difficult to handle, costs lots of energy to make
(either with oil directly or by electrolyis). Diesel-type fuels on the
other hand can be made from biological products (such as algae - that
way you could have an industrial manufacturing process instead of an
agricultural one), and would not require a vast replacement of existing
infrastructure. Jet engines already run on a type of diesel fuel. So do
Thielert GA diesels.

We already run our glider club diesel vehicles on used cooking oil
kindly donated by one of the pubs...

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Old May 7th 05, 03:34 PM
Matt Barrow
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"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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In article au2fe.55730$NU4.36038@attbi_s22, Jay Honeck wrote:
trouble with hydrogen is it's
difficult to store, difficult to handle, costs lots of energy to make
(either with oil directly or by electrolyis).


Today it is, but it's like oil was 100 years ago.

Not wanting to be harsh, but stop thinking statically, in the short
term...try thinking like an inventor/entrepreneur, not a schoolboy/employee.
Most of all, stop barfing back with the schools/media feeds you.




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Old May 7th 05, 04:07 PM
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I, too, believe that hydrogen is the fuel of the future, but perhaps in a
slightly different vein. One of my senior projects involved the
calculations on what it would take and what would be the result of
converting hydrogen to helium (the fusion reaction).

The output is an amazing amount of energy. If we had tossed as much money
at taming fusion as we have tossed at unworkable military toys, we'd be
riding around in electric vehicles with fusion providing the recharge
energy.

Jim




Today it is, but it's like oil was 100 years ago.

Not wanting to be harsh, but stop thinking statically, in the short
term...try thinking like an inventor/entrepreneur, not a
schoolboy/employee.
Most of all, stop barfing back with the schools/media feeds you.






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Old May 7th 05, 05:21 PM
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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If we had tossed as much money at taming fusion as
we have tossed at unworkable military toys, we'd be
riding around in electric vehicles with fusion providing
the recharge energy.


And best of all, we wouldn't have terrorism because they wouldn't have the
money to sponsor it... They would all go back to being the POOR camel
****in' Bedoins that they had been throughout history (vs the rich camel
****in' Bedoins that they are now)... Hell, if we spent the billions that
fighting the latest skirmish is costing us, we might have been able to find
a cheap alternative for petroleum... Of course, it would have been more
economical to just nuke 'em to start with...


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Old May 8th 05, 02:09 AM
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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If we had tossed as much money at taming fusion as
we have tossed at unworkable military toys, we'd be
riding around in electric vehicles with fusion providing
the recharge energy.


The thing is, unworkaboe military toys are akin to the process of making
WORKABLE military toys.

I can't imagine an engineer (you?) would miss tha distinction.




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Old May 8th 05, 04:12 AM
RST Engineering
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Sonny, I spent my first ten years out of college working on military toys
that didn't have a chance in hell of working. You don't think I can make
the distinction? STINK is the operative part of distinction here.

Jim



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Old May 8th 05, 03:09 AM
George Patterson
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RST Engineering wrote:
If we had tossed as much money
at taming fusion as we have tossed at unworkable military toys, we'd be
riding around in electric vehicles with fusion providing the recharge
energy.


We tossed hundreds of millions of dollars at it at Oak Ridge alone for at least
30 years. I don't know much about what's gone on there since my father died in
'89, but they may still be working on cold fusion down in "reactor row." Last I
heard, they still hadn't licked the problem of plasma containment.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.
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Old May 8th 05, 04:17 AM
RST Engineering
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Hundreds of millions? Hell, we are spending hundreds of millions a DAY in
Iraq to keep our oil flowing. Cold fusion is a dream; hot fusion is
reality. Tens of billions to create a magnetic Klein bottle, and we are
home free for a couple of thousand years.

Jim




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RST Engineering wrote:
If we had tossed as much money at taming fusion as we have tossed at
unworkable military toys, we'd be riding around in electric vehicles with
fusion providing the recharge energy.


We tossed hundreds of millions of dollars at it at Oak Ridge alone for at
least 30 years. I don't know much about what's gone on there since my
father died in '89, but they may still be working on cold fusion down in
"reactor row." Last I heard, they still hadn't licked the problem of
plasma containment.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.



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Old May 8th 05, 04:27 AM
Jose
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Tens of billions to create a magnetic Klein bottle

You sure you mean a "klein bottle"? If we could create a real Klein
bottle, we'd be home free forever.

Jose
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