Pilot shot in head

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
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"John Galban" wrote in message
Amazing! Hitting a target in a moving airplane at several hundred
feet with a pistol! The odds are pretty slim. Military pilots call
that the "Golden BB". That one lucky small arms shot that, totally by
chance, ends up occupying the same area of space as the plane.

I dunno, I go shooting with a .44Mag revolver w/ 12" barrel and scope. A
Cessna at low level wouldn't be so hard to hit.



It'd be easier _without_ the scope.



Maybe, but most pistol scopes are pretty low power with a fairly large
FOV. I still think it would be difficult no matter what.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
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"John Galban" wrote in message
Amazing! Hitting a target in a moving airplane at several hundred
feet with a pistol! The odds are pretty slim. Military pilots call
that the "Golden BB". That one lucky small arms shot that, totally by
chance, ends up occupying the same area of space as the plane.

I dunno, I go shooting with a .44Mag revolver w/ 12" barrel and scope. A
Cessna at low level wouldn't be so hard to hit.



It'd be easier _without_ the scope.



Maybe, but most pistol scopes are pretty low power with a fairly large
FOV. I still think it would be difficult no matter what.


I dunno...I can hit a 12" pie plate at 100 yards with a 1911 with standard
sights. I doubt it's be that hard.

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
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"John Galban" wrote in message
Amazing! Hitting a target in a moving airplane at several hundred
feet with a pistol! The odds are pretty slim. Military pilots call
that the "Golden BB". That one lucky small arms shot that, totally by
chance, ends up occupying the same area of space as the plane.

I dunno, I go shooting with a .44Mag revolver w/ 12" barrel and scope. A
Cessna at low level wouldn't be so hard to hit.



It'd be easier _without_ the scope.



Maybe, but most pistol scopes are pretty low power with a fairly large
FOV. I still think it would be difficult no matter what.



I dunno...I can hit a 12" pie plate at 100 yards with a 1911 with standard
sights. I doubt it's be that hard.

So can I. We all make lucky shots occasionally. However, few can hit a
pie plate at 100 yards EVERY shot when shooting off-hand. Actually,
even a machine rest won't do that as the standard 1911's tend to scatter
their hits more than 12" at 100 yards inherently. And if the pie plate
is moving at 80 MPH, the odds get MUCH worse.

I don't think Doug Koenig could do that with any consistency and he's a
lot better shot than you or me.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

Maybe, but most pistol scopes are pretty low power with a fairly large
FOV. I still think it would be difficult no matter what.



I dunno...I can hit a 12" pie plate at 100 yards with a 1911 with
standard
sights. I doubt it's be that hard.

So can I. We all make lucky shots occasionally. However, few can hit a
pie plate at 100 yards EVERY shot when shooting off-hand.

Context, again: He only had to hit ONCE. We don't know how many times he
FIRED.

Actually,
even a machine rest won't do that as the standard 1911's tend to scatter
their hits more than 12" at 100 yards inherently.

Hmmm...last time I tried, I did about three out of four. A .44 Mag

And if the pie plate
is moving at 80 MPH, the odds get MUCH worse.

See remarks about Sporting Clays....yes, we use scatter guns, but the
targets are 6", not 16 feet.

I don't think Doug Koenig could do that with any consistency and he's a
lot better shot than you or me.

You'd be surprised. Shoot the moving poppers at at IPSC match some time.


Matt

The other Matt

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
Actually,
even a machine rest won't do that as the standard 1911's tend to scatter
their hits more than 12" at 100 yards inherently.


Hmmm...last time I tried, I did about three out of four. A .44 Mag

A 1911 in .44 mag? What brand is that?


And if the pie plate
is moving at 80 MPH, the odds get MUCH worse.


See remarks about Sporting Clays....yes, we use scatter guns, but the
targets are 6", not 16 feet.

Yes, shotguns don't count. :-)

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
Actually,
even a machine rest won't do that as the standard 1911's tend to scatter
their hits more than 12" at 100 yards inherently.


Hmmm...last time I tried, I did about three out of four. A .44 Mag

A 1911 in .44 mag? What brand is that?

It chopped my line which was supposed to say "A .44 Mag is much better at
long range shooting". Hence, the 100 yard matches and hunters.


And if the pie plate
is moving at 80 MPH, the odds get MUCH worse.


See remarks about Sporting Clays....yes, we use scatter guns, but the
targets are 6", not 16 feet.

Yes, shotguns don't count. :-)

Yes, and remember the 6" vs. 16 foot context.

I believe Mr Whiting is speaking of a standard issue 1911 Colt .45. Which
does have an awful pattern even at 50 yards. There are some mods that can be
done, as in with some of the new modified 1911's. Which very few of those
are "real" 1911's, but aftermarket copies. A Kimber 1911 come to mind. Which
is a very nice weapon with alot better patterns than it's old standard US
military version. Just a good old Colt .45! Great for close combat, but not
a reach out and touch someone kind of weapon.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech
ex-marine rifle coach

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
Actually,
even a machine rest won't do that as the standard 1911's tend to
scatter
their hits more than 12" at 100 yards inherently.


Hmmm...last time I tried, I did about three out of four. A .44 Mag

A 1911 in .44 mag? What brand is that?

It chopped my line which was supposed to say "A .44 Mag is much better at
long range shooting". Hence, the 100 yard matches and hunters.


And if the pie plate
is moving at 80 MPH, the odds get MUCH worse.


See remarks about Sporting Clays....yes, we use scatter guns, but the
targets are 6", not 16 feet.

Yes, shotguns don't count. :-)

Yes, and remember the 6" vs. 16 foot context.