When to acknowledge ATC

"A Guy Called Tyketto" wrote in message
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Exactly what I've been saying.


Yeah, you're both wrong.



I never said you had to readback
a clearance INTO Class C, but that if a controller tells you for
whatever reason to remain OUTSIDE of Class C, that should be read back.


It SHOULD be read back? Are you sure? Previously you claimed it MUST be
read back. Which is it?

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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"A Guy Called Tyketto" wrote in message
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Exactly what I've been saying.


Yeah, you're both wrong.

You haven't provided anything to say otherwise. Now, your turn.
Put up docs to prove your side, or shut up.


I never said you had to readback
a clearance INTO Class C, but that if a controller tells you for
whatever reason to remain OUTSIDE of Class C, that should be read back.


It SHOULD be read back? Are you sure? Previously you claimed it MUST be
read back. Which is it?

Damn it, Ron, you're trolling now.

It has to be read back. Like any call/acknowledgment. a simple
'roger' or ignoring it doesn't work. Read it back. Save your ass a
request to call the facility, let alone another checkride because
you've mucked things up, and read it back.

BL.
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"A Guy Called Tyketto" wrote in message
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You haven't provided anything to say otherwise. Now, your turn.
Put up docs to prove your side, or shut up.


It doesn't work that way. It's my position that there's no requirement to
read back the instruction to remain clear of Class C airspace. I can say
that with confidence because I'm intimately familiar with the procedures.
It isn't possible to provide documemtation that there's no such requirement.
You're asking me to prove a negative, that's not possible. That's why the
burden of proof is on you. It's your position that a readback is required.
If it is, it should be a simple matter for you to provide the documentation
supporting your position and proving me wrong. Please cite that
documentation.



It has to be read back. Like any call/acknowledgment. a simple
'roger' or ignoring it doesn't work. Read it back. Save your ass a
request to call the facility, let alone another checkride because
you've mucked things up, and read it back.


That's simply not the way it is. Are you a pilot?

"A Guy Called Tyketto"
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"A Guy Called Tyketto" wrote in message

You haven't provided anything to say otherwise. Now, your turn.
Put up docs to prove your side, or shut up.

Since, pretty much, nobody is agreeing with you, you might want to
recinsider this request.


I never said you had to readback
a clearance INTO Class C, but that if a controller tells you for
whatever reason to remain OUTSIDE of Class C, that should be read back.

It SHOULD be read back? Are you sure? Previously you claimed it MUST be
read back. Which is it?

Damn it, Ron, you're trolling now.

Hardly. You're becomeing obtuse, inaccurate and slightly hyperbolic. And,
still, wrong.

moo

A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"A Guy Called Tyketto" wrote in message
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Exactly what I've been saying.


Yeah, you're both wrong.


You haven't provided anything to say otherwise. Now, your turn.
Put up docs to prove your side, or shut up.


I never said you had to readback
a clearance INTO Class C, but that if a controller tells you for
whatever reason to remain OUTSIDE of Class C, that should be read back.


It SHOULD be read back? Are you sure? Previously you claimed it MUST be
read back. Which is it?


Damn it, Ron, you're trolling now.

It has to be read back. Like any call/acknowledgment. a simple
'roger' or ignoring it doesn't work. Read it back. Save your ass a
request to call the facility, let alone another checkride because
you've mucked things up, and read it back.

That was Steve, (pay attention to the conversation). But Steve's
right and you're still wrong.

LET ME SAY THIS AS DISTINCTLY AS POSSIBLE. You can read the AIM,
7110.65, and the FAR's and it comes down to this. READBACKS are
not required with the exception of the special band-aid put in
to the controller handback back when Runway Incursion was a hot
issue.