When to acknowledge ATC

"A Guy Called Tyketto" wrote in message
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Nor are you in any position to tell me anything on this subject
either.


Yes I am. I'm an experienced pilot and controller and it's pretty clear
you're neither.



So quit trying to make yourself sound better than anyone else
here. So far, you've said that I'm wrong, others are wrong, but you
haven't backed up with anything to substantiate anything you're saying
as being RIGHT. Like I said before, put up, or shut up.


Why doesn't that apply to you? Despite repeated requests you've provided
nothing that supports your position. You've quoted material that you claim
supports your position but doesn't even mention readbacks. Why don't you
put up or shut up?

I've explained why you have the burden of proof on this issue. You claim
the readback requirement exists, so it's up to you to cite that requirement.
I and others claim there is no such requirement, but none of us can prove
something does not exist.



You're trolling again.


I'm asking for clarification because you've made contradictory statements.



blah blah. I've heared this before. back up what you're saying.


How do I do that? Do you expect me to produce a regulation that says a
readback of in instruction to remain clear of Class C airspace is not
required? Is that how you concluded it was required, by the absence of any
such regulation?



So you say. So you say. but you haven't shown anything to back
yourself. So why should we believe you? Unless you wrote the FARs, the
AIM, and the .65, which I know you haven't, you are in no position to
tell us what is right or wrong.


Why am I held to a much higher standard than you? You haven't shown
anything to back yourself. So why should we believe you? All you've done is
demonstrate that you're not familiar with the FARs, the AIM, and FAAO
7110.65. What makes you think you're in a position to tell us what is right
or wrong?



Do tell. Which TRACON?


Green Bay, WI.



Did I not mention that an acknowledgement is a response now
*10* posts ago, in which you tried to tell me that pilots didn't need
to respond?


No.



Still, you post no credentials. I wouldn't believe it if my
grandmother came up to me and told me she taught ATC without anything
to back it up.


What do you expect me to present here as proof? What will you post as proof
that you're training for ATC? I don't believe that you are in ATC training.



Then prove to me that it is not required.


You're asking me to prove a negative. That isn't possible.



Where does it say that pilot readback is not required?


It doesn't say that anywhere, it's not required because nowhere does it say
that a pilot readback is required.



If a controller tells you:

N123AB, cleared into Class B airspace, maintain VFR at or below
8500 for traffic.

And you are at 10,500, You are telling me you are not going to
readback that you are cleared into the B airspace (AIM 5-5-2.a.1) and
descend to 8500 to maintain VFR (reading back what ATC has told you)?


That's right, I'm not. I'm going to acknowledge by saying, "N123AB
descending to 8,500."



To Class B, yes. To Class C, it is debatable. I have heard
Class C controllers radar identify VFR traffic in Class C both within
and prior to entering Class C airspace.


Wrong and wrong.