The German proximity fuse.

As far as I can see the only aircraft the allies would have that could
survive above German airspace and much of Europe would be the Mosquito.
The B29 would eventually come along but it wouldn't be available in
quantity till late 1944. Becuase of the high casualities the American
would have to cut their B17 based bombing rates in half and opperate at
higher altitudes. The lack of B24s means no Ploesti raid.

Presumably Wellingtons could be fitted with two stage supercharged
merlins and a presurised fueselage.

Basically I think you are right. Bombing altitude would increase from
the usuall 20,000-25,000 to 35,000-40,000 to avoid casualites. Medium
altitdue aircraft such as the B26 Marauder and B25 become outmoded.
German industry would reamin more productive and strong. Bomb gudience
becomes essential.

"Eunometic" wrote in message
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As far as I can see the only aircraft the allies would have that could
survive above German airspace and much of Europe would be the Mosquito.
The B29 would eventually come along but it wouldn't be available in
quantity till late 1944. Becuase of the high casualities the American
would have to cut their B17 based bombing rates in half and opperate at
higher altitudes. The lack of B24s means no Ploesti raid.


Only if you assume the proximity fuse is a 100% effective super weapon

Presumably Wellingtons could be fitted with two stage supercharged
merlins and a presurised fueselage.


Presumably NOT, a pressurised fuselage is a non trivial modn.

Basically I think you are right. Bombing altitude would increase from
the usuall 20,000-25,000 to 35,000-40,000 to avoid casualites. Medium
altitdue aircraft such as the B26 Marauder and B25 become outmoded.
German industry would reamin more productive and strong. Bomb gudience
becomes essential.


Reality intrudes here, you still need to aim the gun someplace
close to where the bomber is for the fuse to work, losses
would undoubtedly rise but the presence of proximity fuses
post war didnt halt bombing and the simple reality is Germany
would have to produce em by the million and lacked the
industrial capacity to do so.

Keith




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In article ,
Keith W wrote:

"Eunometic" wrote in message
Only if you assume the proximity fuse is a 100% effective super weapon

Presumably Wellingtons could be fitted with two stage supercharged
merlins and a presurised fueselage.

Presumably NOT, a pressurised fuselage is a non trivial modn.

Actually, the flying breadbasket /was/ built in a high-altitude, pressurised
version (in fact much of the UK development of pressurisation was done
using the Wellington). Obviously the fuselage itself wasn't pressurised
(fabric not being much good for that) but a pressurised crew area
was developed and flown. The two types were the Mk.V and VI, both
fitted with pressurised cockpit and high-altitude versions of the Bristol
Hercules.

http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine...120/welly.html

Vickers were leaders (in .uk) in working on stratospheric
aircraft - the Barnes Wallis proposals for the Victory
Bomber was one strand, the original design for the Windsor
another (hence the guns in remote-control barbettes in
the tails of the engine nacelles) and the 75- and 100-
ton giants of the 1944 programme a third. None ever
reached squadron service, but all (except the Victory)
were far more than just paper aeroplanes.

--
Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group
http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/
"Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes)

The rare Windsor bomber:
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircra...%20windsor.jpg

Rob

"Rob Arndt" wrote in message
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The rare Windsor bomber:
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircra...%20windsor.jpg

Rob


Was not a Wellington

Keith

Keith,

Andrew Breen brought up the Windsor and I provided a photo of it. Yes,
it is not a Wellington... but they are both of geodetic construction
and I was posting for those that might not have ever seen a Windsor or
knew it existed.
Maybe you should read the posts before saying something since Barnes
Wallis is connected here.

Rob

"Rob Arndt" wrote in message
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Keith,

Andrew Breen brought up the Windsor and I provided a photo of it. Yes,
it is not a Wellington... but they are both of geodetic construction
and I was posting for those that might not have ever seen a Windsor or
knew it existed.

Then you should have made that clear

Maybe you should read the posts before saying something since Barnes
Wallis is connected here.



Maybe you should do more than posting links to pictures

Keith

Germany had a wide range of proximity fuses under development and/or
testing in the last year of the war:

Code Names & Descriptions:

BAD, Acoustic, under Graf Zeppelin Institute

ELKU (Elektro-Akoustic), and applied to PAPLITZ

FUCHS, Radio by AEG Berlin, intended for Hs-117, Hs-298, and other
missiles

ISEGRIMM, Electromagnetic by Orlich Institute of Danzig.

KAKADU, Radio by Donaulandische GmbH of Vienna. 3,000 were produced for
the Hs-293- used Doppler effect.

KRANICH, Acoustic by Ruhrstahl AG of Brackwerde. Highly rated German
proximity fuse.

KUGELBLITZ, Radio by Patent Verwertungs Gesellschaft of Salzvurg.
Developed for the Rhinetocktor missile. Used Doppler-shift effect.

KUHGLOCKE, Electrostatic by Rhinemetall-Borsig. Intended for missiles.
Prototypes only.

KUHGLOCKEN, Smaller version designed for AA shells.

LOTTE, Infrared for an unspecified missile- abandoned.

MARABU, Radio by Siemens-Halske under sub-contract of Rheinmetall AG.
Designed for the Hs-117, Hs-298, Rheintocktor and Wasserfall missiles.
Firing trials.

MARDER, Radio by Orlich Institute of Danzig.

MEISE, Acoustic by Neumann & Borm of Berlin.

PAPLITZ, Infrared by Elektro Akoustic Institute at Namslau then at
Kiel. A.K.A. "ELKU". Developed for Hs-117 and Wasserfall. Test firings.

PINSCHER, Radio by Orlich Institute of Danzig. Five prototypes.

PISTOLE, Photo-Electric, this project was incorporated into
WASSERMAUS.

ROULETTE, Infrared by Brickmann of Gera.

STIMMGABEL, Acoustic by the Graf Zeppelin Institute. Developed for
parachute-retarded bomb dropped over Allied bomber streams. Tested.

TRICHTER, Radio by Blaupunkt. Field tested.

WASSERMAUS, Photo-Electric, developed for the Wasserfall missile.

WIESEL, Radio by Orlich Institute of Danzig.

ZUNDER-19, Developed for 250kg bomb by Rheinmetall-Borsig. Started
1937. Cancelled 1943. Work continued into 1944.

Rob

Arndt the Clueless wrote:
Germany had a wide range of proximity fuses under development and/or
testing in the last year of the war:

SNIP

Just gazing at this list makes you realize the TOTAL madness of the
German R&D effort during WWII

While the US and Britain combined efforts in Project V of Section T of
the NDRC (hence "VT" fuze)

"Rob Arndt" wrote in message
oups.com...
Germany had a wide range of proximity fuses under development and/or
testing in the last year of the war:

Code Names & Descriptions:

BAD, Acoustic, under Graf Zeppelin Institute

ELKU (Elektro-Akoustic), and applied to PAPLITZ

FUCHS, Radio by AEG Berlin, intended for Hs-117, Hs-298, and other
missiles

ISEGRIMM, Electromagnetic by Orlich Institute of Danzig.

KAKADU, Radio by Donaulandische GmbH of Vienna. 3,000 were produced for
the Hs-293- used Doppler effect.

KRANICH, Acoustic by Ruhrstahl AG of Brackwerde. Highly rated German
proximity fuse.

KUGELBLITZ, Radio by Patent Verwertungs Gesellschaft of Salzvurg.
Developed for the Rhinetocktor missile. Used Doppler-shift effect.

KUHGLOCKE, Electrostatic by Rhinemetall-Borsig. Intended for missiles.
Prototypes only.

KUHGLOCKEN, Smaller version designed for AA shells.

LOTTE, Infrared for an unspecified missile- abandoned.

MARABU, Radio by Siemens-Halske under sub-contract of Rheinmetall AG.
Designed for the Hs-117, Hs-298, Rheintocktor and Wasserfall missiles.
Firing trials.

MARDER, Radio by Orlich Institute of Danzig.

MEISE, Acoustic by Neumann & Borm of Berlin.

PAPLITZ, Infrared by Elektro Akoustic Institute at Namslau then at
Kiel. A.K.A. "ELKU". Developed for Hs-117 and Wasserfall. Test firings.

PINSCHER, Radio by Orlich Institute of Danzig. Five prototypes.

PISTOLE, Photo-Electric, this project was incorporated into
WASSERMAUS.

ROULETTE, Infrared by Brickmann of Gera.

STIMMGABEL, Acoustic by the Graf Zeppelin Institute. Developed for
parachute-retarded bomb dropped over Allied bomber streams. Tested.

TRICHTER, Radio by Blaupunkt. Field tested.

WASSERMAUS, Photo-Electric, developed for the Wasserfall missile.

WIESEL, Radio by Orlich Institute of Danzig.

ZUNDER-19, Developed for 250kg bomb by Rheinmetall-Borsig. Started
1937. Cancelled 1943. Work continued into 1944.

Rob


The very length of that list goes a long way to explaining
why Germany never got a working fuze into production.

The Western allies thought 2 development projects (one
British , the other American) would have been extravagantly
wasteful.

Keith