When to acknowledge ATC

On Mon, 09 May 2005 18:57:34 GMT, A Guy Called Tyketto
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Hamish Reid wrote:

This thread has certainly had a sort of morbid entertainment value
watching you go up against Steven M, an experienced controller and pilot
-- basically, you seem to be a little out of your depth here...

Fine then, everyone. You're all right, I'm wrong. You don't
need to readback clearances. Everybody happy now?

I tried to respond with something I was taught by my
instructors. Now I know what I was told was wrong. I'll go crawl back
into my hole, and shut up because I stood up for what I had learned.
Now that I'm wrong, I'll be quiet. Everybody happy now?

BL.


From the tone of your response it seems that you are taking the
corrective comments you received as a personal attack rather than
informative comment. That probably isn't the best sort of
personality/demeanor for a controller to possess.

If you were truly a candidate to become an Air Traffic Controller, you
would have found the pertinent section(s) in FAA Order 7110.65 and
discovered that it fails to mandate reading back clearances. But you
took the comments as personal insults rather than objective
information and got your feelings hurt. If you're going to be a
controller, you've got to cool and objective. Work on it.

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Larry Dighera wrote:

From the tone of your response it seems that you are taking the
corrective comments you received as a personal attack rather than
informative comment. That probably isn't the best sort of
personality/demeanor for a controller to possess.

If you were truly a candidate to become an Air Traffic Controller, you
would have found the pertinent section(s) in FAA Order 7110.65 and
discovered that it fails to mandate reading back clearances. But you
took the comments as personal insults rather than objective
information and got your feelings hurt. If you're going to be a
controller, you've got to cool and objective. Work on it.


I agree. I did take comments here as insulting. But when you
have someone here telling you that you're ignorant, it's rather hard
not to take that as insulting. Double that coming from a controller. It
really makes you want to rethink entering the field if a potential
coworker, who should be helping you on it (albeit, he is helping) while
not berating you with the next word out of his mouth. I admitted that I
was wrong, and that you're right, the .65P doesn't mandate reading back
clearances. But on the other hand, I deserve more respect than being
insulted, let alone more respect for admitting that I was wrong.

But you're right. I should, and will work on it.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

I agree. I did take comments here as insulting. But when you
have someone here telling you that you're ignorant, it's rather hard
not to take that as insulting.

Well, "ignorant" simply means you don't know. If you're posting and defending
stuff that's simply wrong, you *are* ignorant. It's a little blunt for someone
to say so, but it's not insulting to state a fact.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

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Larry Dighera wrote:

From the tone of your response it seems that you are taking the
corrective comments you received as a personal attack rather than
informative comment. That probably isn't the best sort of
personality/demeanor for a controller to possess.

If you were truly a candidate to become an Air Traffic Controller, you
would have found the pertinent section(s) in FAA Order 7110.65 and
discovered that it fails to mandate reading back clearances. But you
took the comments as personal insults rather than objective
information and got your feelings hurt. If you're going to be a
controller, you've got to cool and objective. Work on it.



I agree. I did take comments here as insulting. But when you
have someone here telling you that you're ignorant, it's rather hard
not to take that as insulting. Double that coming from a controller. It
really makes you want to rethink entering the field if a potential
coworker, who should be helping you on it (albeit, he is helping) while
not berating you with the next word out of his mouth. I admitted that I
was wrong, and that you're right, the .65P doesn't mandate reading back
clearances. But on the other hand, I deserve more respect than being
insulted, let alone more respect for admitting that I was wrong.

Being ignorant isn't a big deal. We're all ignorant in many ways. I
don't think anyone called you stupid, which would be an insult. Saying
you are ignorant is just a frank way of saying that there is a gap in
your knowledge that you need to fill. It isn't an insult, just a
statement of fact. Once you fill that gap you are now less ignorant,
and can move on to the next are for improvement.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Being ignorant isn't a big deal. We're all ignorant in many ways. I
don't think anyone called you stupid, which would be an insult. Saying
you are ignorant is just a frank way of saying that there is a gap in your
knowledge that you need to fill. It isn't an insult, just a statement of
fact. Once you fill that gap you are now less ignorant, and can move on
to the next are for improvement.

Matt

So now your saying ignorant of English?

A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:
It really makes you want to rethink entering the field if a potential
coworker, who should be helping you on it (albeit, he is helping)
while
not berating you with the next word out of his mouth.


If that's the way you feel, get out FAST. It took me less than a week
in the Center to learn that most controllers are happy to berate
developmentals any chance they can get, for any reason they can come up
with (or for no reason at all).
It's life in the FAA. A thick skin is a requirement. Get used to it
or change your career goals. You will NOT be able to change the FPLs,
especially those who have been around 20 or so years.

TJ Girl


p.s. If you act like you know it all (as you did in this thread) you
will be berated by your coworkers all the more. And washing out is a
very real probability - performance reviews are plenty subjective and
an attitude that rubs your trainer or supervisor the wrong way will
ensure failure.

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If that's the way you feel, get out FAST. It took me less than a week
in the Center to learn that most controllers are happy to berate
developmentals any chance they can get, for any reason they can come up
with (or for no reason at all).
It's life in the FAA.

It's life in the Centers. Out here in the towers we are normal.

"Newps" wrote in message
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If that's the way you feel, get out FAST. It took me less than a week
in the Center to learn that most controllers are happy to berate
developmentals any chance they can get, for any reason they can come up
with (or for no reason at all).
It's life in the FAA.

It's life in the Centers. Out here in the towers we are normal.

Actually, out there in the towers you are, well, out there...

Chip, ZTL

"Chip Jones" wrote in message
.net...

"Newps" wrote in message
news
If that's the way you feel, get out FAST. It took me less than a week
in the Center to learn that most controllers are happy to berate
developmentals any chance they can get, for any reason they can come
up
with (or for no reason at all).
It's life in the FAA.

It's life in the Centers. Out here in the towers we are normal.

Actually, out there in the towers you are, well, out there...


Snob! :~)

"A Guy Called Tyketto" wrote in message
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I agree. I did take comments here as insulting. But when you
have someone here telling you that you're ignorant, it's rather hard
not to take that as insulting. Double that coming from a controller.


The only messages in this thread that contain the word "insulting" are your
message above and the responses to it.



It really makes you want to rethink entering the field if a potential
coworker, who should be helping you on it (albeit, he is helping) while
not berating you with the next word out of his mouth.


I don't recall you being berated in this thread by anyone. What are you
referring to?



I admitted that I was wrong, and that you're right, the .65P doesn't
mandate reading back
clearances.


Your admission of error was a long time coming. Several people told you you
were wrong and explained why you were wrong and through it all you insisted
you were right.



But on the other hand, I deserve more respect than being
insulted, let alone more respect for admitting that I was wrong.


Respect is earned, nobody insulted you.