Dangerous Cessna evacuates govt again

Paul kgyy wrote:

True to the rugged pioneer spirit of our great country, DC cowered for
cover again as a Cessna violated the no-fly zone. Fighter jets were
scrambled to deal with this imminent threat to the security of our
nation.

What I want to know is how an INSTRUCTOR who lives in the region can be
so UNAWARE of their location in proximity to an ADIZ and a No-Fly Zone
centered on the nations capitol. How one cannot be within 4 miles away
from the nations capitol in the post 9/11 environment and realize "hey,
am I supposed to be here"? If you are lost, get on the radio. If you are
seeing landmarks that are 30-50 miles inside a restricted area, like the
WASHINGTON MONUMENT and WHITE HOUSE you should be realizing something.

How someone can be intercepted not only by an apache but also an F-16
and not respond to ATC calling you on 121.5 also makes me wonder. Yes...
the sheeply panicked. There was organized mass panic based on unknown
intentions, and that was unfortunate. What is astounding is the fact
that an instructor blundered so seriously, when the areas are marked on
charts, the ADIZ's are clearly described, the FSS's re-emphasize certain
briefings from time to time (such as Intercept Procedures, for example).

If anything, all we have managed to demonstrate is.. you can get within
3 miles now without getting shot down. Crap like this will only serve to
get the "restricted areas" even larger, and more restrictive, and will
undo the YEARS of work the aphabet groups have put in towards opening up
the DC airspace.

Un-F*#&ing believable.
Dave

Flying from NJ I am super aware of that ADIZ zone. Instructor ?? Student
Pilot??
I went to Landings.com
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*72704370!_h-www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/ac-cert.html

And did a search on these two guys and didn't get a hit. I don't know if
this is a comprehensive database or if you can opt to not be in it. "flown
by Jim Sheaffer of Lititz, Pa., and student pilot Troy Martin, of Akron,
Pa., "

Given the flight path S37 to KLBT I can envision a communication problem
with ATC. I wouldn't want to fly around the zone (Delaware Bay to the East,
higher terain and area P-40 to the West.) It was pretty hazy in the East
today. Who knows maybe it was a mix up. ATC (super super folks, I've a few
of them) have their hands full managing this busy airspace with the staff
and technology available.

Over reaction. Yes much like my mother in law who ask my wife if she will be
wearing a parachute for our local flight in a 172. (interesting she didn't
ask me).

And did a search on these two guys and didn't get a hit. I don't know if
this is a comprehensive database or if you can opt to not be in it. "flown
by Jim Sheaffer of Lititz, Pa., and student pilot Troy Martin, of Akron,
Pa., "


Airmen Database Search Result
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Name : SHEAFFER JR, HAYDEN LOWERY
Airman's Address : XXXXX
LITITZ, PA, 17543-9702
FAA Region : Eastern
Date of Medical : Jun, 2003
Class of Medical : 3
Expiration of Class 3 privileges : Jun, 2005
Airman Certificates : Private Pilot
Airplane Single Engine Land

Larry Dighera wrote:
And did a search on these two guys and didn't get a hit. I don't know if
this is a comprehensive database or if you can opt to not be in it. "flown
by Jim Sheaffer of Lititz, Pa., and student pilot Troy Martin, of Akron,
Pa., "

Airmen Database Search Result
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name : SHEAFFER JR, HAYDEN LOWERY

I guess if someone saddled me with the name "Hayden Lowery", I'd go by "Jim" too.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

Dave,

good post! I can't understand why so many here don't understand that
it's not at all about how dangerous our planes really are.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)