Discussion on dealing with future ADIZ Incursions by light A/C

"Hank Rausch" wrote in message
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Good possible topic for another thread, but in light of what happened
yesterday, do you realistically see the ADIZ going away any time soon?
There was a fellow on the tube last night talking about expanding to
100nm.

I can tell you one thing for sure, and the equation doesn't require a bomb
to go off either.
You can take it to the bank that the government has considered the sheer
propaganda value to the terrorist movement of a single aircraft, GA or
otherwise, managing to slip through these restricted areas and crash as a
simple suicide into ANY valuable American target. The effect of this
happening would be like an adrenalin shot for the terrorist world.
The government absolutely can NOT allow this to happen and will most likely
take every conceivable precaution to prevent just such an occurrence from
taking place.
I'm afraid it's not going to be a very "happy time" for General Aviation as
these threat options are considered and acted upon.
Personally, I think what's out there now is just the tip of a very big
"government control"iceberg.
Dudley Henriques

On Thu, 12 May 2005 18:16:37 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote in
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Personally, I think what's out there now is just the tip of a very big
"government control"iceberg.

I think you're correct. The government is running scared of a
potential domestic insurrection as a result of population growth, and
taking this opportunity to put into place the (il)legal basis for
responding to any hint of it.

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

I think you're correct. The government is running scared of a
potential domestic insurrection as a result of population growth, and
taking this opportunity to put into place the (il)legal basis for
responding to any hint of it.

are we going just a bit over the top here?

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

In article , Larry Dighera wrote:
I think you're correct. The government is running scared of a
potential domestic insurrection as a result of population growth, and
taking this opportunity to put into place the (il)legal basis for
responding to any hint of it.

Whilst the vast majority of Americans enjoy a good, at least middle
class lifestyle, there will be no revolt or insurrection. Can you
imagine any typical middle class person sacrificing their nice
comfortable life for civil war? No, neither can I. It ain't gonna happen
unless the standard of living in the US collapses (and by collapse, I
mean to near famine levels - countries like Mexico which are endemic
with grinding poverty aren't in danger of insurrection).

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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In article , Larry Dighera
wrote:
I think you're correct. The government is running scared of a
potential domestic insurrection as a result of population growth, and
taking this opportunity to put into place the (il)legal basis for
responding to any hint of it.

Whilst the vast majority of Americans enjoy a good, at least middle
class lifestyle, there will be no revolt or insurrection. Can you
imagine any typical middle class person sacrificing their nice
comfortable life for civil war? No, neither can I. It ain't gonna happen
unless the standard of living in the US collapses (and by collapse, I
mean to near famine levels - countries like Mexico which are endemic
with grinding poverty aren't in danger of insurrection).

It's happened twice before in our country.

But probably the surest way to instigate an insurrection would be to cut the
cable TV feeds for ESPN and MTV.

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message nk.net...


I can tell you one thing for sure, and the equation doesn't require a bomb to go off either.
You can take it to the bank that the government has considered the sheer propaganda value to the terrorist movement of
a single aircraft, GA or otherwise, managing to slip through these restricted areas and crash as a simple suicide into
ANY valuable American target. The effect of this happening would be like an adrenalin shot for the terrorist world.
The government absolutely can NOT allow this to happen and will most likely take every conceivable precaution to
prevent just such an occurrence from taking place.
I'm afraid it's not going to be a very "happy time" for General Aviation as these threat options are considered and
acted upon.
Personally, I think what's out there now is just the tip of a very big "government control"iceberg.
Dudley Henriques


No, if an aircraft managed to crash in to something, then the folks in gov'ment would spin it into some deranged
individual acting alone or similar; they would be absolutely sure to make it a non-terrorist event...

"Blueskies" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
nk.net...


I can tell you one thing for sure, and the equation doesn't require a
bomb to go off either.
You can take it to the bank that the government has considered the sheer
propaganda value to the terrorist movement of a single aircraft, GA or
otherwise, managing to slip through these restricted areas and crash as a
simple suicide into ANY valuable American target. The effect of this
happening would be like an adrenalin shot for the terrorist world.
The government absolutely can NOT allow this to happen and will most
likely take every conceivable precaution to prevent just such an
occurrence from taking place.
I'm afraid it's not going to be a very "happy time" for General Aviation
as these threat options are considered and acted upon.
Personally, I think what's out there now is just the tip of a very big
"government control"iceberg.
Dudley Henriques


No, if an aircraft managed to crash in to something, then the folks in
gov'ment would spin it into some deranged individual acting alone or
similar; they would be absolutely sure to make it a non-terrorist event...

In this case the answer would be "yes" wouldn't it? :-) No doubt the
government would spin it. In fact, they would do everything in their power
to negate the terrorist's mission.
Spinning it is just one possible option the government would use to take the
sting out of the propaganda value terrorists would most certainly be present
if the pilot of such a mission was indeed a terrorist.
I honestly believe these last two in that 150 came within a hair's breath of
being shot down. The next one to wander into one of these areas might not be
so lucky!
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:

I honestly believe these last two in that 150 came within a hair's breath of
being shot down. The next one to wander into one of these areas might not be
so lucky!

I've seen photos of Phalanx batteries being installed in the city. Probably just
a matter of time.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

("George Patterson" wrote)
I've seen photos of Phalanx batteries being installed in the city.
Probably just a matter of time.


Great system. Many things going up in the Cessna's general direction. So
what happens to those projectiles that miss the little Cessna?


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
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("George Patterson" wrote)
I've seen photos of Phalanx batteries being installed in the city.
Probably just a matter of time.


Great system. Many things going up in the Cessna's general direction. So
what happens to those projectiles that miss the little Cessna?


Montblack

From what I understand, It's been considered and factored into the equation.
Hit or miss, the order to destruct WILL be issued at a certain point.
Each time this happens, the trigger finger squeezes just a little bit more.
There are rational military people on the job when this happens who have
been given a certain amount of empowerment to take reasonable steps if in
doubt..as was the case with this Cessna, but there is a "go" point within
the perimeter that if reached, the decision becomes automatic and will NOT
be reversed. If some clod wanders in deep enough to reach that point,
collateral damage is no longer the issue. It's been factored in as
"acceptable loss".
This is not the same world that it was before 9-11.
Dudley Henriques