It was really close...

Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.

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Now they are willing to kill people who get lost and cross invisible
lines in the sky so that the powerful and the politically connected can
feel safe... Will they next start shooting our children because they
ride their bikes across an invisible line on the ground?

Denny, normally I'm right with you and your thoughts -- but this is an
absurd comparison.

We have restricted areas over our seat of government for very clear and
well-defined reasons, and every certificated pilot knows it. To compare
this situation to what the Nazis did is to trivialize the death of millions.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
We have restricted areas over our seat of government for very clear and
well-defined reasons, snip
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No we don't.




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I agree.

And Honeck (according to his address) flies outta Iowa City, IA and not DC.
I fly out of the middle of nowhere and can't imagine what it is like flying
around the nations capitol.

So I will give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They screwed up, and so
have I.

I can only guess that Honeck and others here never have and never will.

I only wish I, and the rest of us, were as good as you.


"Jay Masino" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:
We have restricted areas over our seat of government for very clear and
well-defined reasons, snip
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No we don't.




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John Lakesford wrote:
I agree.

And Honeck (according to his address) flies outta Iowa City, IA and not DC.
I fly out of the middle of nowhere and can't imagine what it is like flying
around the nations capitol.

Well, I've flown west of DC many times and into DC once. I flew into
National at night prior to 9/11. It was actually a piece of cake. I
was rather nervous on the way in having to get an IFR reservation, be
within a certain time window, etc., but it was actually much easier than
I expected. I got vectored out of line to let three airliners land and
circled a few times over one of the monuments, I forget which one now,
but it wasn't far from the prohibited area. It was really easy to see
the landmarks at night and it would have been very hard to fly near the
White House and not know it. The Potomac also provides a very good
landmark.

The only hard part was taxing in after landing!


So I will give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They screwed up, and so
have I.

Yes, they did and in a very serious way.

I fly from a fairly rural area (ELM and N38), but if I fly near a
metropolitan area I make sure I'm prepared. If I'm not, then I don't go
there. These guys were unprepared in several very fundamental ways and
shouldn't have been within 50 miles of DC in their stage of preparation.


Matt

Jay,

We have restricted areas over our seat of government for very clear and
well-defined reasons,


And what would those be?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message

We have restricted areas over our seat of government for very clear and
well-defined reasons,

And what would those be?

Well, you see, a long time ago, on September 11, 2001, some nice people
thought it might be fun to fly an airplane into the Pentagon.

I wonder if there's a correlation between tightened security around
Washington DC and the airplane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Hmmm....might need to think about that for awhile.
-c

"gatt" wrote in message
...
[...]
I wonder if there's a correlation between tightened security around
Washington DC and the airplane that crashed into the Pentagon.

A correlation doesn't prove reason.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message

I wonder if there's a correlation between tightened security around
Washington DC and the airplane that crashed into the Pentagon.

A correlation doesn't prove reason.

People can play logical soccer with the issue all they want, but the
airspace is closed, any legitimate pilot in America knows the airspace is
closed, it's damned difficult to get lost in the DC area and fighters were
scrambled to either deter or destroy the aircraft.

As it should be. There's no particular reason at this point to let pilots
run amok over Washington DC.

-c

the airspace is
closed, [...] As it should be. There's no particular reason at this point to let
pilots
run amok over Washington DC.

Why is this as it should be?

And what particular reason is there at this point to let pilots run amok
over Chicago? Or anywhere else?

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jose" wrote in message news:fT7he.1712

the airspace is closed, [...] As it should be. There's no particular
reason at this point to let pilots run amok over Washington DC.

Why is this as it should be?

There's a war going on. Precisely why there's no particular reason to let
illegal immigrants run amok into America.

Some of them are hostile.

And what particular reason is there at this point to let pilots run amok
over Chicago? Or anywhere else?

The most powerful government in the world--and the one that Americans
consider most important--is not in Chicago.

-c