It was really close...

"gatt" wrote in message
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People can play logical soccer with the issue all they want, but the
airspace is closed, any legitimate pilot in America knows the airspace is
closed, it's damned difficult to get lost in the DC area and fighters were
scrambled to either deter or destroy the aircraft.

So far, so good.

As it should be. There's no particular reason at this point to let
pilots
run amok over Washington DC.

Sorry, you lose there. Your claim is far from a foregone conclusion.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message

As it should be. There's no particular reason at this point to let
pilots run amok over Washington DC.

Sorry, you lose there. Your claim is far from a foregone conclusion.

Peter, there's a war going on.

Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't let people carry guns and grenades on
airplanes either.

-c

"gatt" wrote in message ...

People can play logical soccer with the issue all they want, but the
airspace is closed,



Actually, it is a ADIZ. You can get clearance. Tough, but you can....

Gatt,

to let pilots
run amok over Washington DC.


They "ran amok"? As far as I know, they just flew. Man, all of us are
running amok all over the world regularly by your definition. It's my
favorite pastime, this "running amok". Jeeze!

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Gatt,

Well, you see, a long time ago, on September 11, 2001, some nice people
thought it might be fun to fly an airplane into the Pentagon.

And that has WHAT connection exactly to prohibiting GA traffic over
Washington?


I wonder if there's a correlation between tightened security

And prohibiting GA traffic tightens security in WHICH way, exactly?

I'm really looking forward to explanations.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

And prohibiting GA traffic tightens security in WHICH way, exactly?

I'm really looking forward to explanations.

There probably isn't any..... Was it Emerson (I think?) who said that "A
foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

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So, they are more important than any of the rest of us, special rules for
'special' people.

Remember a couple of years ago, when the Federal Government was so broke
that it shut down? Remember how badly that interrupted everybody's lives? Me
either.

Let's all get one thing straight, their job as political leaders is supposed
to be to SERVE US, not the other way around. If they are so paranoid that
someone or something is out to get them, they either need to change their
ways or find a new career.

Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown.

Mike

Well, you see, a long time ago, on September 11, 2001, some nice people
thought it might be fun to fly an airplane into the Pentagon.

I wonder if there's a correlation between tightened security around
Washington DC and the airplane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Hmmm....might need to think about that for awhile.
-c

We have restricted areas over our seat of government for very clear and
well-defined reasons, and every certificated pilot knows it.

No, these reasons are neither good, nor clear, nor well defined.

Jose
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Jose wrote:
We have restricted areas over our seat of government for very clear
and
well-defined reasons, and every certificated pilot knows it.

No, these reasons are neither good, nor clear, nor well defined.


1. There are terrorist groups that wish to carry out attacks in the
domestic US.
2. Government buildings in DC are likely to be preferred targets of
such attacks.
3. Light aircraft are a possible means of delivering a weapon of some
kind.

Which of these three propositions would you disagree with?

Yes, I agree a U-Haul looks like a far better delivery system, but a
piston GA plane is not out of the question. The bomb used in the first
WTC attack was 1,100 pounds, which is inside the envelope of a 206 to
name just one.

I don't know what they're doing to restrict trucks from getting close
enough, and a 5000# fertilizer bomb probably doesn't need to get too
close to leave a mark. Heck, I'd assume they're not doing enough. I
would also say that intercepting a 206 in mid-air is the least
efficient way to deal with that threat profile, but it would seem to be
pretty foolish to ignore it, especially considering that it has been
done before.

http://avstop.com/news/CessnaSingleEngine.html

Best,
-cwk.

wrote:
1. There are terrorist groups that wish to carry out attacks in the
domestic US.

So? There are terrorist groups all over the world wishing to carry out
attacks on all sorts of people/governments.


2. Government buildings in DC are likely to be preferred targets of
such attacks.

Maybe, but that doesn't warrant reductions in our freedoms.


3. Light aircraft are a possible means of delivering a weapon of some
kind.

So are every car, van, SUV and truck driving around in DC. And most of
them can carry a lot more explosive payload than the overwhelming majority
of GA aircraft. Someone could probably stab you to death with a butter
knife, but we're not worrying about butter knives, are we?


Yes, I agree a U-Haul looks like a far better delivery system, but a
piston GA plane is not out of the question. The bomb used in the first
WTC attack was 1,100 pounds, which is inside the envelope of a 206 to
name just one.

Why wouldn't they just drive up to their target? They'd attract a lot
less attention.

I don't know what they're doing to restrict trucks from getting close
enough, and a 5000# fertilizer bomb probably doesn't need to get too
close to leave a mark. Heck, I'd assume they're not doing enough. I
would also say that intercepting a 206 in mid-air is the least
efficient way to deal with that threat profile, but it would seem to be
pretty foolish to ignore it, especially considering that it has been
done before.

Tell you what? How about the government locking all of us in our houses,
and not letting us out. That would solve the security problem. If they
see anyone outside their house, they can just shoot them immediately. I
realize that's an absurd example, but it makes the point. How much
freedom are we willing to give up for security against a relatively small
number of extremist islamists?

--- Jay




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